| Author | Message | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
New member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2001 |
a french guy used his 512tr as a daily driver and has put more than 300 000 kms on it ! ( 187000 miles ) ..he sold it and bought a 550 M and put 50 000 miles on it in 1 year and a half .. read this article in french mag called sport auto btw , no engine rebuilt on his 512 tr..only the usual ( clutch , brakes...) | ||
| Scott Anderson (Srandrsn)
Junior Member Username: Srandrsn Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2001 |
Dave; Spoken like a true Hedonist; pleasure is all that matters! | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 185 Registered: 10-2001 |
I am hoping with the modernazation and quality improvments we see in the 360, that the silly crap about 20 - 30k miles being regarded as high miles in F-Land will be a thing of the past. I am looking forward to buying a used 360 in a few years with 60,000 miles and not thinking twice about it ( like the P-cars have always been ). Ferrari did set out to make its car's "real" daily drivers, like the P-cars have always been. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
New member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2002 |
For some reason ultra low mileage 89 328's turn up regularly. Some are still on MSO. I guess they were bought by investors. How did they do? Cars can be cared for and stored properly to avoid problems that frequently arise from non use, but I would wager most of these garage queens just sat with little or no care. Out of curiosity, I once called a dealer who had one. I told the dealer I like to drive a lot and his response was that this is not a car for me adding that he thought it was a "sick car for a sick person". Car sold real fast though. I do not criticize people who just want to admire, polish and fondle their cars. It's a hobby, everyone should do what gives them pleasure. | ||
| Scott Anderson (Srandrsn)
Junior Member Username: Srandrsn Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2001 |
Brian, I just thought that if there were pituces of the thing on the net at some sales site like "cars.com" or whatever it would be cool to see what it looked like, thanks | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 528 Registered: 12-2001 |
I have seen a few with over 100K. I think that the engines can last a long time if driven reasonably. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
New member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2002 |
wm hart has some interesting points about high mileage vs. low mileage. When buying a used Ferrari, are you better off buying one with a few miles on it? Say a 355 with 30K miles versus one with 7k miles? What maintenance issues and expenses could the 30K mile car represent? | ||
| Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Junior Member Username: Eurocardoc Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2001 |
It belongs (belonged?) to a customer, I have not seen it in about a year but it was for sale at that time. i can inquire for you. | ||
| Scott Anderson (Srandrsn)
Junior Member Username: Srandrsn Post Number: 78 Registered: 4-2001 |
Brian, Is that car in Indiana for sale? If so where did you see it? I'd like to see a 308 with that many miles. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2001 |
My 79 308 has 143000kms on it. The dealer history confirms it. Lots of new suspension parts on it as well as a rebuilt engine when I bought it. | ||
| Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Junior Member Username: Eurocardoc Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2001 |
There is a 308 in INdiana registering 265,xxx miles! Nobody knows the true miles, but it's a hard sell, imagine that! Looks to be rode hard and put up wet though. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2001 |
There are cars out there that legitimately have no miles on them. My friend eddie K, a broker, is currently offering a late 328 with something like 200 miles,(he had a Daytona with something like 700 miles last year) and , as i mentioned in another topic here, there was a guy with an f-40 with delivery miles just a couple years ago. That's cool for collectors, i guess, but it distorts the market and market expectations. I drive my cars(i put 4000 miles on the Barchetta between mid-July and the beginning of November, without really trying, just local cruises for fun) and have, on average, been able to put 10k miles a year on several other ferraris, purely in pleasure driving. Yet, my cars are considered "high mileage" cars in Ferrari-land. Porsche guys wouldn't think twice about buying a car a few years old with 20k miles, or so. I don't think ferraris are more delicate. Sorry for the rant, but the emphasis on 'no mileage' ferraris is disheartening. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1871 Registered: 2-2001 |
It's not bad to pay higher prices for a collector's car like yours Magoo, you're way ahead if you paid a normal rate for it then. I was thinking more the other way around, don't pay $40k for a high mile 308 type thing. | ||
| Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Junior Member Username: Corsa Post Number: 113 Registered: 4-2001 |
Oops, Sorry Rob. No, I drove it 7,500 miles last year, i.e. in 8 months. Ciao Peter | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2088 Registered: 2-2001 |
Well Bret, I didn't pay collector prices because it is not defined as a true collector piece. But at 7200 miles and no more than I drive it a last year 79 308 carb. model could be something someone may want later on. Regardless I enjoy it. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1863 Registered: 2-2001 |
There are definitely quite a few benefits of not driving a car, most parts take more of a toll on them when driven. Although driving will keep them running right, theoretically you would be better off (from a cost stand point, definitely not an enjoyment view)with letting a car sit for 20 years and doing an extensive service on it than you would be driving it all the time. The key is not to pay collector's car prices for a car that is not a collector's car, like mine for example. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1642 Registered: 12-2000 |
Looks like you have Magoo  | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2083 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ok, I was not going to say this since there is so much doubt of low mile Ferraris. My 79 308 GTS sat for 18 yrs. Had the orig. tires on it when I bought it. I got a mileage affadavit with the car from the Doctor and his wife who owned the car. This really doesn't mean that much. He was also a collector and had many old cars in his collection which he never drove. He just bought them and stored them. The DMV checked their records and the car went through Fl. saftey inspection in 79 and had only been registered for a tag once in 1980. No other registrations. When I bought the car it had 5200 miles on it. The leather interior did not have any memory marks in it and still doesn't. The orig. carpets have not been used at all and are perfect.The delivery plastic is still on the door sill plates. I now have 7200 miles on the car. It looks like new and I believe that the mileage is correct. Now given all that I know somebody is going to say, "How do you know?" If a professional looked at this car he would know it is what I have said it is. It just depends on what the tell tale signs are on the car and what kind of research you have done. I am a nut on research of old cars because I am a collector. I also know that when I bought the car there were others who called me wanting to buy the car and they confirmed the mileage back in the 1980s when they tried to buy it. Good enough for me. So yes I feel that I do have a low mileage car and as I said before after a major service the car runs great and I have had no problems at all with it. Leaks or otherwise. I can only hope I got a good one. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2082 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yeah, But if there is no history who knows if it is valid or not. If you got a good one at low mileage and no discrepancy of mileage just pass it off to the next guy. How do you know it may be legit and then maybe not. Enjoy and drive on. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1162 Registered: 12-2000 |
Peter, you've put 42,500 miles since last year? I think about a third of all pre '95 F cars show wrong miles. A 328 in Dallas has 140k. Mine has 49k. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 874 Registered: 2-2001 |
It seems to me that too many Ferraris for sale have around 30,000 miles on them no matter how old they are. I smell a rat. If they are such great cars then why don't they drive them, or maybe they do. | ||
| William Huber (Solipsist)
Junior Member Username: Solipsist Post Number: 206 Registered: 9-2001 |
From what I understand from this board, a 308 speedo is not hard to reset. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 184 Registered: 10-2001 |
I wonder how many F-cars are out there with fake readings on the speedo ? Seems when there is a lot of money to be made on turning back the clock... people will try it? Also switching out speedos for one's marked in MPH And didn't the old 308's have just 99,xxx digits in their gauges? | ||
| C. Smith (Italianauto)
Junior Member Username: Italianauto Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2001 |
Someone here must have one with over 200K..... | ||
| William Huber (Solipsist)
Junior Member Username: Solipsist Post Number: 205 Registered: 9-2001 |
I guess more miles are better than very little miles. A 1988 TR with 5,000 can be more of a problem from just sitting around. Why can't people understand these cars are ment to be driven? | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2002 |
One of my friends in the Ferrari Club just hit 100,000 miles in his 1987 328. The car runs great and I don't think the heads have ever been off of it. Gary | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 504 Registered: 1-2001 |
When I saw Nick's 308 (5/01) it had 18x,xxx miles on it. Seen a local '85 TR with 13x,xxx miles on it (1/02). I swear there was an F40 at CI last year with 9x,xxx on it's clock (mostly track - IIRC). Supposedly a guy in a LA area with 26x,xxx miles on his '85 TR (his daily driver). THIS IS NOT A TYPO - and I have no clue what services have been done on these cars. -Ben | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1849 Registered: 2-2001 |
Because of early 308 oil burning/leaking problems with the QVs the started using Nikasil liners, which they have continued to use on all cars even up to now. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
New member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ferrari rep once told me of a 308 QV that had 160K with no rebuild. I have also seen others advertised with more than 100K and no rebuilds. Have seen a couple of 328's with over 100K offered as well. I have read that beginning with the QV, better materials were used for the cylinder liners and valve guides which led to longer engine life compared to the earlier ones. Most miles on any car I have owned was 42K on a 87 328. Dave | ||
| Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Junior Member Username: Corsa Post Number: 110 Registered: 4-2001 |
328 GTB 80k km = 50k miles now 12k km = 7,5k miles last year. Ciao Peter | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Junior Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 171 Registered: 9-2001 |
60k on my 92 Mondial T Cab (totaled) 12k on my 89 T Cab | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Junior Member Username: Doody Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2001 |
Art355 - are you saying that your 355 has 30K miles on it or that you've never seen a 355 with more than 30K miles on it? i presume the former! doody. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1841 Registered: 2-2001 |
Nick's car has like 180K on it I think, but it's been worked in and out I would imagine. Mine had 60K on it, realistically like 50K real miles and was in good shape, just leaking oil. I guess I'll never know how far it could've gone. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 109 Registered: 8-2001 |
My 82 308gtbi euro...63k.....purrs like a kitten or should I say nays like a stallion........I would hope with the engineering on these cars they could easily go 100k+ upperend, at least 175k lowerend..... | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 63 Registered: 5-2001 |
'87 Euro TR Bought July 1998 with 32550kms (20230 miles). Nov 2000 with 49,748kms (30,919 miles) 30k service done. Now has 62022kms (38547 miles) and running like a sewing machine. Drove 18317 miles in 3 1/2 years with a 9 month stint in Kosovo in between. About 550 miles a month. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 566 Registered: 1-2001 |
Frank -- my ex-308GTS had ~100K miles on the odometer when I finally redid the top end (although I probably should have done it at ~90K miles). My feeling for expected service life is: top end = 75K miles +/- bottom end = 150K miles +\- (driven in GT mode with decent servicing/care) | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
Member Username: Dalbright Post Number: 278 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mine has 35xxx and i bought mine 1 1/2 years ago with 28xxx. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1550 Registered: 5-2001 |
mine has 36,5000 Miles bought it 2 years ago with 21,900 | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 256 Registered: 6-2001 |
f355=30,000 Art | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 668 Registered: 9-2001 |
Whats the most miles anyone has seen on a modern( post 308} Ferrari without an engine rebuild ? |