| Author | Message | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 255 Registered: 11-2001 |
This topic is an old one from last year just written differently. Original one is "How fast have you been in your Ferrari" | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2002 |
You know, an F-car, in the hands of a good, focoused driver, at 40mph over, is probally safer than some nut in a corolla at the limit. Speed dosen't kill, guns don't kill, etc. STUPID PEOPLE KILL. That said, I keep it pretty reasonable on public roads, save the true pushing of the vehicle for the track. Fastest I've been on a road is about 120-130 (could plainly see road, no traffic, and nowhere for critters to hide.), I don't dare go beyond that on public roads. Frankly, my car already handles too well to test it's limits on the streets, I just take the top off and enjoy driving it at 5/10ths up the PCH. 5 or 6-10ths is really quite fun on the street. Now give me a good road course, and I'll take to the point where I spin at 100+ coming out of turn 6 too hot at Sears Point. *that's* a rush. You can hit 140-150+ at Willow Springs 1/2 mile straight, that's fine with me. (and no *(#$ deer.) Best! Ben. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 406 Registered: 12-2001 |
Gracie, Ingenere, for a bit of refreshing good, old world, non-Puritan, love of life. Matt, you are sounding a bit preachy, here. Frankly, i agree that people should not speed irresponsibly or drive recklessly when others are around,but, beyond the maxim of don't hurt others, i don't need a roll bar or fire system in my car if i dare drive it 11 miles over the posted speed limit. In fact, i'll take the speeding ticket gratefully, as long as my speed enables me to avoid the countless morons out there on the roads. And, yeah, there is some pleasure to driving on a country road rather than "perfecting" the line by constant lapping of the same roadbed. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 525 Registered: 2-2001 |
Matt, point taken. But one more thing I would like to add....GO SHUMI!! | ||
| Dino Micalizio (Ingenere)
New member Username: Ingenere Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2001 |
After reading most of these posts....it is a shame that the US mentality is that speed = irresponsibility and danger. Sure there are a few more risks involved with speed. Perhaps if there were better driver's education in the US. Perhaps, if owners of high performance cars put their ego's aside as well as a fear of dirt and a few rock chips and did some driver's schools and track events....there would be less danger associated with high speed driving. I have spent lots of time well over 150mph in Europe...with no fear of harrassment ot fear of death. I have seen red line in an F40 (5th gear!) as well as 180 in a TR and low 170's in a 348.....had a great time, didn't endager a sole....and have zero guilt! That's what these cars were meant to do.....just hone your skills and GO! | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 129 Registered: 3-2001 |
Fred, actually, I have not driven a Ferrari on a public road for several years. I used to, but I felt that I was not able to use the car to its true potential. Just a personal choice. My latest Ferrari (see bio) is not street legal. To answer your question, you are correct. I only go 10 miles per hour over the speed limit when on the highway. I have a perfectly clean drivers license history. Not that it makes me a saint, but again, a personal decision. I do however use my car for racing, where I extract each and every ounce of the performance which the engineers have built into the car. I have set, or have nearly equaled fastest lap records (for 355 Challenge Cars)at 3 racetracks. Going fast on a highway is in no way probing the performance abilities of any particular Ferrari. I do agree with you though, that these cars are built to go fast, and are very safe under the right conditions. I also understand that from time to time it is fun for you to open it up for short bursts. My points are: it is dangerous to go 150+ on public roads (for the reasons which I mentioned in my previous comments), and going fast in a straight line is boring, and in no way exposes the true performance abilities of a Ferrari. I know that I sound like a square, but if we are going to talk about how fast we go on public roads, lets all be straight up and acknowledge that it is not the safest of propositions. While I am at it, Im sorry to say, but if a person wants to drive 190 mph on a public road....please do not do it near me, my family, or anyone I know. It is not for that person to expose anyone else to the dangers which they have accepted to take on themselves. Fred, enjoy your car, have a blast, feel the passion, and be as safe as possible. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GO SCHUMI!!!! | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 521 Registered: 2-2001 |
So Matt, the highest speed you drive you car on the highway is 65mph maybe 75 in some states. The fact is these cars are made to drive fast and are very safe under the right conditions. It isn't like I go tearing around at 100+mph. If I am out and come across a really clear stretch where I can open in up a bit I go for it. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2002 |
A couple of years ago, here in Montana we had no speed limit. The rule was going an acceptable speed for the road conditions. What screwed it all up was the jerks that couldn't figure it out. If you had a car capable of 150 MPH, and you could and were ready to prove to the officer, and if necessary in a court of law that you were also capable of driving such a machine, there would be no ticket. (Actually Happend With No Ticket - being a resident also helps ) | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 193 Registered: 2-2002 |
Not wanting to sound irresponsible, but I have gone 130+ in the 348, but only in far West Texas. The land is nearly 100% flat, and the roads are very straight and there are no trees or other obstructions to block the view in *ALL* directions. I pretty much refuse to exceed 100 on public roads under other conditions. Now, on the track, I've seen 160+ in other F-cars, and that's careening towards an 80 MPH left hander. How safe is that?  | ||
| Jeff Ross (Rsbiomedical)
New member Username: Rsbiomedical Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2001 |
Of course fast driving should only be done when there are no other cars on the road, if a deer jumps in front of you...it's your problem. Personally it's like sneaking sex in public places...The thrill of not getting caught is half the fun. And I don't mean like George Michael either :D | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2001 |
Lets not kid ourselves here, open roads ARE NOT SAFE ROADS. They are just open. Hitting ANYTHING that may meander out onto the road when you are flying at 150 + mph, is pretty much a death sentence. As I was thinking of what I wrote earlier, another issue came up to me. What would happen if someone lost a tire at those speeds?? I presume that each and every one in this thread has a 5 point harness installed in their car, with a full roll cage, as well as a fire supression system...CORRECT???? Domenic, I see by the measures that you and the group you run with take, that you have an appreciation for the dangers involved. While those measures lend a bit of control to the situation, Im sure we can all agree that those measures are superficial. I found this in an internet. "According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, more than 300,000 collisions with deer are reported annually, and still more go unreported. In many such accidents, poor visibility or too little time to react is the culprit." Now, that does not take into account any other little furry thing that wants to get to the other side of the road. At 150+ mph, what is the inevitable outcome of such a collision. You know, its funny, I feel like an adult who is trying to explain to children the obvious reasons of why something is dangerous. Going fast may 'be fun', but the cost may be much higher. | ||
| Domenic T. (Fattony)
New member Username: Fattony Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'm in Calgary Alberta, Cananda. Nothing but open roads and fast cars up here. I'm Sure the Ferrari guy's would have no problem with that. Seeing as I'm not a Ferrari owner yet and they let me tag along a few times. There a nice group of guys that love fast machines. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Junior Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dominic: What state are you at? I would love to join you guys? | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 46 Registered: 6-2002 |
One correction to my earlier post - The lift generated by the TR front hood is 400 pounds at 150 mph. I had previously mis-stated 400 pounds at 120 mph. Sorry for the mistake. Jim Selevan | ||
| Domenic T. (Fattony)
New member Username: Fattony Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'm the new kid on the block here so I'm not looking to piss you off. I can't answer for the other guy's on this board, but in response to your post, top speed runs are not taken with out precaution where I'm from. the couple of times I took my car to the limit were done on a Sunday morning at 6:00 am. . they were done on a Highway outside the city limits. With a group of 6 cars all equipped with cb radios. The local Ferrari club has a stretch of road they have picked out for this as it is straight and smooth. one car is stationed at each end to make sure there is no on coming traffic. when all seems to be clear, a run is made. one at a time. As for the track, we rent the track as a group once every three weeks up here. Yes I have to agree, there is nothing more exciting than letting it rip on a road course. unfortunately our track is not big enough to reach top speed. now for putting anyone elses life in danger, as you've read the way we do it, The only person in danger in the guy at the wheel, and thats his choice. Again, not looking to piss you guys off, just informing you that not every one looks at a top speed run like a trip to 7-11 for a slurpee. If you want to exponentially raise the probability of your imminent death, do so without putting anyone elses life in danger. There are so many race tracks to run you car on, in a CONTROLLED, PREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT. To go so fast, on a public road is crazy. Does anyone who has participated in this thread think that you will be able to avoid the errant; dog running out onto the highway, muffler on the ground, truck tire shred, broken down vehicle, pot hole, dead deer, or any other (and there are hundreds of them) obstacle???? YOU WANT TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL LIKE SPEED F*CKING RACER...HIT THE RACETRACK, OTHERWISE DONT PUT ANYONE ELSES LIFE IN DANGER WHILE YOU RUN RAMPANT ON PUBLIC ROADS. That is my vent. In my opinion, for what its worth, going fast in a straight line is boring. I go into turn one at pocono at 145 mph and hit close to 180 on the back straight....while waiting to hit around 180 is big time BORING! Id rather take a 90 degree turn at 80 mph....now THATS EXCITING. And, Im | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2002 |
It does NOT raise your probability of self selection out of the living by exponential amounts--cubic amounts: yes, but exponential amounts: no. There is a BIG difference between X**3 and exp(X)--unfortunately nobody outside of math and science recongizes this. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 503 Registered: 2-2001 |
Thanks Matt... very wise words! Oh... I've dont about 160-170mph in my 360 and about 190 in my Supra on the roads. Ernesto | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2001 |
I just read this thread, and trying hard not to sound like a real buzz kill: Are you guys crazy???? Irresponsible, foolish, and terrible judgment are all words that come to mind. Do me a personal favor, keep the hell away from the roads around Manhattan! If you want to exponentially raise the probability of your imminent death, do so without putting anyone elses life in danger. There are so many race tracks to run you car on, in a CONTROLLED, PREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT. To go so fast, on a public road is crazy. Does anyone who has participated in this thread think that you will be able to avoid the errant; dog running out onto the highway, muffler on the ground, truck tire shred, broken down vehicle, pot hole, dead deer, or any other (and there are hundreds of them) obstacle???? YOU WANT TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL LIKE SPEED F*CKING RACER...HIT THE RACETRACK, OTHERWISE DONT PUT ANYONE ELSES LIFE IN DANGER WHILE YOU RUN RAMPANT ON PUBLIC ROADS. That is my vent. In my opinion, for what its worth, going fast in a straight line is boring. I go into turn one at pocono at 145 mph and hit close to 180 on the back straight....while waiting to hit around 180 is big time BORING! Id rather take a 90 degree turn at 80 mph....now THATS EXCITING. And, Im not putting anybody else in harms way. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 45 Registered: 6-2002 |
Jeff - you are not a man of needless conversation. Well said. Jim Selevan | ||
| Jeff Ross (Rsbiomedical)
New member Username: Rsbiomedical Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2001 |
http://my.voyager.net/~rsbiomedical/MODENA.jpg | ||
| Domenic T. (Fattony)
New member Username: Fattony Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2002 |
Thanx willis | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 802 Registered: 8-2001 |
There're some nice F40 owners here. They should be able to give you some tips on what to look for in your search. Welcome to FerrariChat, Domenic! | ||
| Domenic T. (Fattony)
New member Username: Fattony Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2002 |
Soory, did't understand what the f-car part meant. It was a Porsche, But I'm looking into an f-40. thats why I logged on to your site. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 801 Registered: 8-2001 |
220MPH on the highway in a Ferrari? If it was a Ferrari, what Ferrari, may I ask? Tweaked F40? | ||
| Domenic T. (Fattony)
New member Username: Fattony Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2002 |
New guy here. fastest i've been is some where near 220mph. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 41 Registered: 6-2002 |
Is it a prancing horse? I owe you a beer. Jim | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 157 Registered: 4-2001 |
I'm on the back of that horse with you and the saddle bags are starting to rub, whatta ya say we stop up ahead, water the horse, and have a few beers to wash the dust off. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2002 |
David - I have studied your entries again, and now understand your point. Producing more horsepower at the same redline would provide the opportunity for one to change final drive ratio thereby resulting in higher top speed. Without a change in final drive ratio, however, top speed would not be influenced. The rate at which it is achieved (acceleration) would be. Your discussion assumes that redline is defined as rpm of maximum horsepower. As top speed is a stalemate between horsepower and wind and rolling resistance, maximum horsepower equals maximum speed. However, I believe (although I have to confirm) that the tachometer has a range of "red" that begins before max rpm/horsepower as defined in the technical specification (at least for my Dino and TR). Perhaps semantics, but I see redline as a tachometer instrument definition (with available horsepower on the upside), while max RPM/horsepower is a technical reference definition. Enough of my equinonecrobeastiality (beating a dead horse). Jim Selevan | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2002 |
David - I was referring to your earlier post suggesting that top speed was mechanically linked to engine RPM, final drive ratio, and tire size. When in top gear, this is true. It is a simple mathematical relationship between how many times a minute the engine turns and how many times a minute the wheels turn, and the circumference of the wheel. However, I was observing that the "Redline" was not necessarily the limit to how fast the engine will turn. For example, if it requires 350 hp to push aside air at 170 mph for a particular drag coeficient, and this 350 hp is achieved at 7,700 RPM (redline), then 170 mph will be achieved. If drafting a faster car, the engine might go to 8,000 RPM as your car enjoys less drag behind a car going 180 mph. My comment was only to observe that redline is not a magic barrier to higher engine RPM or speed. Sorry for any confusion. Jim Selevan | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 330 Registered: 6-2001 |
Had my 360 up to 155 indicated on the Pocono track, in 5th gear. No room to get it into 6th, but I think could have gotten another 30 or so mph out of it. I never go over 80-90 on public roads, because most other U.S. drivers are not used to that type of closure rate, and can be counted on to do something stupid. Why risk it? That's what tracks are for. 190 in a 348 is a dream IMHO. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 533 Registered: 6-2001 |
What Danny is referring to is Vehicle Code 22348(b) which provides that there is a mandatory 30 to 60 day suspension of the driver's license, and optional seizure of the vehicle. Most CHP will not write for over 100 because it absolutely guarantees a court appearance. However if the speeding is done in a dangerous manner, they will write those tickets (or take you to jail) and if convicted there are serious consequences. If you are going that fast, in addition to the radar detector, I recommend a scanner, and perhaps a look-out, or be between two other lunatics going the same speed. Danny is a great driver, I know that because I've driven with him on two occassions, and both times he drove very quickly, and in my opinion without error. However if he gets caught at over 100, that isn't going to help him one bit. Art | ||
| Danny R. West (Dan_west348ts)
Junior Member Username: Dan_west348ts Post Number: 216 Registered: 3-2001 |
Martin, I took a break from reading or posting FerariChat. I'm now back. Thanks for asking. Dan | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2421 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dan West, where have you been hiding? Long time to see... | ||
| Danny R. West (Dan_west348ts)
Junior Member Username: Dan_west348ts Post Number: 215 Registered: 3-2001 |
The magic number in California is 99 MPH. As long as you are under 100 MPH the ticket is simple. 100 MPH and above, they can seize you car and haul you off to jail. Cops in California do not like to ticket exoctic cars. I have heard this from several CHPs as well as City cops. They even talk about ticketing exoctics in police training schools. Thank god for very good rural roads throughout California. For those of you concerned about crashes and wildlife; the roads I use are free of obstructing views and traffic. You can see 5 miles down the road. There are straight runs for more than 10 miles then the curves start. My wife loves the fast rides on the roads I am speaking about. She always wants to go faster. Dan | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2001 |
James, I don't quite know what you mean by "Redline is not the limit to top end. With sufficient horsepower, one can exceed redline in 5th (or 6th) gear." What does Sufficient Horsepower have to do with an engines power band or valve train rev limits before float ? After building an engine, you put it on a dyno and know exactly where its power band is. There is nothing magical about pushing an engine out if its power band by over revving it. | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Junior Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 243 Registered: 9-2001 |
In WA, more than 25 gets you reckless driving and all sorts of fines etc start kick in, including suspension or loss of license. Never happened to me but I have a friend with a PCar running out I90 at 98mph in the 70mph zone and he was stopped and cited for reckless driving, open road with nobody on it early on a Sunday morning. Lots of legal fees to make the problem go small... | ||
| Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member Username: Man90tr Post Number: 581 Registered: 4-2001 |
James, you are correct above 130 the nose of the TR gets a little light and you get a bit of a "bobble" if the road is not super smooth. Gets better at 140 -150 where the car is smoother. seems to have a "transition zone" of some sort. They probably fixed that on the 512TR. | ||
| Erik R. Jonsson (Gamester)
New member Username: Gamester Post Number: 28 Registered: 3-2002 |
Had the 77 GT4 up to 135 last month when the carbs began sputtering, still felt like there was more to go. Made for a quick roadtrip from Houston/Dallas to Twin Falls Idaho. | ||
| JohnR. (Rivee)
Junior Member Username: Rivee Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2002 |
70mph..That's the maximum allowed by law. | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
New member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2001 |
Well, living in WA, there are a lot of nice twisty, up and down roads. While I have certainly not done anything overly exciting in terms of top speed outside of a track environment, i find it much more fun to simply accelerate, corner and brake at lower speeds - which is really what makes road courses all fun anyway. That is, I like to view the cars as a "complete package" instead of a drag racer. Isn't that what driving is all about? I thought 25 mph over the speed limit brought you into some sort of misdemeanor or so -- no more infraction. it sounded pretty bad. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2002 |
Gentlemen - a few observations. 1) According to John Amette - former west coast service technician for FNA, a TR front hood generates approximately 400 pounds of lift at 120 mph. Let's be careful out there. 2) Redline is not the limit to top end. With sufficient horsepower, one can exceed redline in 5th (or 6th) gear. Redline is the recommended sustained maximum rpm for the engine. Many racers routinely exceed that. In fact, a very interesting sequence of events in the 1965 Daytona 24 hour (I was there). The Ford GT40's were battling Ferrari and Porsche 917s for 1st place. The GT40 clutches were slipping, and lap times were suffering. This all took place at 3 in the morning. Oil was leaking onto the clutches, which resulted in the slippage. They first tried spraying carbon tetrachloride into the bell housing, but the clutches continued to slip. The Ford engineers then told the drivers to shift at 10,000 rpm, instead of the redline 9,200. This resulted in less torque on the clutch when engaged, and they were able to go on to complete the race. I cannot remember whether they won that year. The point being, redline is not necessarily the entropy-point for engines. 3) If you really want to have fun, borrow a friends baseball RADAR gun. I have one (with 3 boys in Little League). I occasionally take it with me in the car to check my speedometer. Simply point it at an overpass (a stationary object with no "sine" angle correction) and get an accurate speed reading. Anyway, every time I turn on my RADAR gun on the California freeway system, all the brake lights in front of me go on - they must have RADAR detectors. It's a hoot. Jim Selevan | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2002 |
Edward: I didn't mean to imply that all Ferrari speedos are 5mph off, but rather was making the point that a speedo *can* have a constant error, as contrasted to a proportional (percentage) error. And, yes, my car is consistently 3mph off over it's entire range. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1580 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ferrari speedometers are not automaticly 5 mph off. They just do not start registering until you reach 5 mph. If you are going 4 mph then the thing is reading 1 mph too fast but when you reach 5 mph or whatever speed the pin is placed on the face it is theoretically correct. It is done that way to smooth out the pulses from the sending unit. If you break off the pin on the face you will see what I mean. I did mine and now the speedometer registers from zero but you can also see oscillations at low speeds due to the pulses. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1238 Registered: 6-2001 |
You might not be so lucky to have such a lazy/cool cop! | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sometime last year, a highly modified C4 Corvette was stopped just inside the Texas border near El Passo at 203 MPH. The officer let him go with a warning because if he gave him a ticket, he would have had to take him to jail, tow the car to storage, and all sorts of other mean, nasty stuff. The officer indicated, it just wasn't worth the effort. | ||
| russell rosenblum (Rosenblumr)
New member Username: Rosenblumr Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hans, Where do you live, Manhatten? Serioulsy its time to find some new roads. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 63 Registered: 4-2002 |
I hear you, Adam. Fast speeds on roads these days is scary. Too much traffic, bicyclers, farm equipment, etc. Just last night I went for a drive on one of my favorite country roads. I wasn't going terribly fast, but, well, let's just say a 'little over'. Rounded a corner, there in the middle of the road was a small fawn. In the left ditch was it's sister. Yikes! What to do? The biggest escape was to the left, in the other lane. But deer in pairs will tend to run toward one another. Luckily both froze, and I got by. A mile or two later, another corner and this time a large bull in the left ditch. As I was staring at it, I noticed out of the corner of my eye a cow and calf in the right ditch. The bull was still, but it looked like the cow was coming up onto the road. Fortunately, she stopped when she saw me. Damage to 308, me, and cow would have been unimagineable. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2002 |
Re: speedo error. Note that Ferrari speedos can have *both* a baseline error (e.g. - a constant 5mph), and a proportional error (e.g. - reads 5% too high). I own a radar gun and have checked my 308GT4 (with slightly oversize rear tires), and it is about 3mph too high actoss the board. 33 indicated = 30; 63 ind. = 60; 103 ind. = 100; etc. Apparently the oversize tires were just enough to compensate for any proportional error in my case. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1230 Registered: 6-2001 |
Those radar signs that say "speed limit XX your speed XX" are excellent for checking how far off your speedo is. Just remember if its 5mph off at 50, its more than 5 off at 150. Art, post some pics! i saw one with a corvette doing 167 by one. | ||
| Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member Username: Icnsltmfg Post Number: 363 Registered: 8-2001 |
I tend to not speed into the tripple digits too often anymore on the street. I value my licence with no points, value my insurance, and value the fact I could prob get out of a 20mph over ticket. I know let it out on the track where the road is safer, and the drivers for the most part know what is going on. Between the deer, stupid drivers, lousy roads, and lawsuits if you cause an accident, it is just not worth it anymore. I have a lot of fun crusing in the back country roads taking the whole thing in. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 530 Registered: 6-2001 |
John: Didn't get a ticket (this was a radar photo ticket machine, and I made 4 runs at it to get the highest speed, had a friend with a camera taking the picture of the speed posted). Car had no plate on the front. I don't know what they did with the ticket but I never saw it. Art | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
New member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2001 |
I would be happy if my speedo was off by 7 mph. 10 mph plus is more like it. John | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2001 |
Your absolutely right Nick, I did leave out drag coefficient from the formula... I was trying to make the point that by just adding more horsepower your Ferrari will not have a higher top end speed. It will however reach that top end speed faster than it did before. Example: lets say I have a 308 that has been punched and stroked to 3.85 liters and is putting out a dyno'ed 364hp to the rear wheels, but the final drive ratio is stock, as well as my redline. I race a 348 with "Superchips"..... I would smoke the 348 up to my top speed of 155mph, but then the 348 would finally overtake me with a 16mph advantage in the top end speed that it is capable of... By the way, most of the speed-O's in older F-cars are not on the mark. I have seen them read off by up to 7mph. One of the extra benefits of putting your car on a dyno is finding out how far off your speedometer is. Those handy little GPS units work well for that as well. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1079 Registered: 9-2001 |
With Ferrari speedometers, how would we know how fast we have been ? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2400 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here in the US only 155MPH in my TS. In Germany on the AUtobahn in a 1991 Testarossa 190Mph, all it would give me.  BIG smiles! | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member Username: Ross Post Number: 195 Registered: 3-2002 |
i have responded to this type of thread previously and been called a wanker by manu but....i have done over 195mph (and sometimes an indicated 205+mph downhill) in my 512tr, on some lonely highways in italy and france. i suspect there is some speedo optimism in there so let's say it was probably never more than 195-200. the car felt solid and i only let off when i couldn't see far enough ahead. the only bother was the wind and engine noise which at those speeds is somewhat deafening. the car is completely stock; just lives up to the advertising...... | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-2002 |
Euro 348 are supposed to do 172 stock. FWIW Fastest I've taken mine so far is 'indicated' 140. | ||
| Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member Username: Man90tr Post Number: 577 Registered: 4-2001 |
Or the most sane.. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 518 Registered: 2-2001 |
I seem to be low man here. I have only had my 83 308qv up to 130. | ||
| Doug O (Little_o)
New member Username: Little_o Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2002 |
Dan, Could you give me more info on the speedchips. 1} Did you notice a significant improvement in performance. 2} Does it change the powerband any, or is it just stronger throughout. 3} Who's the supplier, and how much. 4} Did you do the Tubi first? Thanks | ||
| Danny R. West (Dan_west348ts)
Junior Member Username: Dan_west348ts Post Number: 214 Registered: 3-2001 |
John, I have a Tubi with the superchips. Tubi adds approximately 7% increase in horsepower. 7% is roughly 21 extra horses. Add approximately 30 horses on top of that which equals over 50. The technician at Ferrari Los Gatos set the engine for more top end during the last major service. At 160 mph the front end does seem a little light. I did not look at the tach as I was concentrating on not dieing in a car crash. I do know I was not red lineing. I'm running new Pirelli PZeros. Dan | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 79 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have done an indicated 142 in my 308 QV and the car still had a lot more left. If I had more room I am sure that I could have done 155 mph indicated. Not to shabby for a 308. A friend of mine has seen an indicated 150 in his '76 308 gtb. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 262 Registered: 5-2002 |
135 with room to go in a 308gtb | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 507 Registered: 4-2002 |
mike had my 88 tr up to 163ish last tin=me i looked at the speedo | ||
| Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member Username: Man90tr Post Number: 575 Registered: 4-2001 |
Anyone ever had a 1990 TR flat out. The most I have done is 165 indicated and it was still pulling. Routinely see 140, which is easy to do. Book says it will do 180, anyone done it? | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 245 Registered: 1-2002 |
Danny how in the hell do you plan on going 190 in your 348!! I have had mine balls to the wall opened up and have hit 175 indicated. Of course mine was on the Milwaukee Mile raceway, which is embanked a little :P I did some dyno testing with the Superchips a while back and only got 30hp more. That doesnt translate into a 15 mph higher top end. | ||
| David Feinberg (Fastradio2)
Junior Member Username: Fastradio2 Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2002 |
105 km/hr in my 365BB, as I never knowingly exceed the posted speed limit (in first gear...) | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 250 Registered: 1-2002 |
The Gumball folks had a squadron of VERY GOOD lawyers...and lots of money. I have seen an indicated 170 on I-10 somewhere between Junction, TX. & Tucson, AZ. Too much overtaken traffic to do more, since you never know what some of these idiot mouth-breathing American drivers (we should really call them wheel holders) will do. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 401 Registered: 12-2001 |
When i had the boxer, i dueled it out with a daytona on a hiway in Pa and was surprised that the boxer pulled away once we were well into the triple digits. However, the nose of the car got very light. The 550s are pretty comfortable at speed. I let a friend drive mine back from a car show last year, and he had it in fifth by mistake when he put his foot down. Both of us were suprised at how quick we were going, given the stability of the car, quietness of the cockpit, etc. I also drove my 348 on an abandoned airstrip and frankly, that thing got pretty scary at the same speeds the Maranello easily takes in stride. I would love to find a place to do high speed runs without risking tickets or civilians. The race tracks don't have long enough straight aways (OK maybe that big test track in ohio does), i don't relish the idea of running in the salt flats (for which i think you need a special permit, too), and the drag strips are clearly not long enough. That airfield was pretty cool, but the tarmac was not in good condition, and i did get stopped by a federal parks policeman, who asked what i was doing. I told him i was practicing! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2002 |
How is it that the Gumball gang got out of cuffs? Many of the participants saw speeds in excess of 150. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 526 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bill: Only if you hire me for your ticket. HaHa. Seriously, if you get caught going that speed, I don't know of any get out of jail passes, but if I find one, I'll let you know. Art | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Junior Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 191 Registered: 8-2001 |
Art, How in the world did you get out of that ticket. "Gee officer, I really didn't know I was doing 167+ mph." I have seen a speedometer indicated 195+ without my rear wing and speedometer indicated 176 with the rear wing. The 195+ corrected for speedometer error was likely closer to 185 give or take a few mph. My car has a few minor modifications that put hp at around 400. A 355 at anything over 175 will start to get highly unstable and develop lift at the front end. Forget all the "zero lift" nonesene from Ferrari the front end will get very light at high speeds. I was booked 10 years ago in Conneticut while being clocked at "in excess of 125" in my 911 (was doing about 140+) . Very hefty fine and suspension of my license. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| nick l (Nsxnick)
New member Username: Nsxnick Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2001 |
dave, dont forget drag coefficent in your formula... or else we could have unlimited top speeds by tweeking the gear ratio many cars reach the top speed before they reach their red line due to poor aerodynamics | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 506 Registered: 4-2002 |
danny 190 in a 348?? i dont think so, unless you have nitrious..and even so, my 88 tr did about 165-170, so a 348 at 190???? things that make you go um.... | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 262 Registered: 7-2001 |
Good stuff Dennis, I used to have a 1998 twinner supra with some HKS mods done to it. Never got it going that fast though. However, I have been over 200mph in my friends 1987 930 factory slantnose with over 700hp. James | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 143 Registered: 4-2001 |
Maximum engine rpm combined with the final drive ratio of your car will determine your top speed... It dosen't matter how many superchips or turbo induced hotdog roasters you install. If you have a max range of 7700rpm on the engine, with a 5 speed trany, fifth being 0.84:1 and a final drive ratio of 4.34:1, how are you going to raise your top end speed by adding more H.P.? You would need to change your final drive ratio to go faster, or put on real tall tires... If I remember right, the 348 tops out between 157 and 171mph. depending on the model... | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 525 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bill: Only if you hire me for your ticket. HaHa. Seriously, if you get caught going that speed, I don't know of any get out of jail passes, but if I find one, I'll let you know. Art | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 339 Registered: 2-2002 |
You mean I can go 169 without asking for big trouble??? :-) | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2002 |
Too funny that this board has been a victim of "Supra Post" just like the Viper board. To explain for Dennis, at the risk of thread hijacking, the Supra crowd generally is a bit "younger" and lacks some internet ettiquet. Back to the post, I followed a beautiful black 360 at 150mph for a few miles. At the end we both admired each other's cars. Just a note though, I ALWAYS back off when I come up on tailights. It's a horrible idea to blow past somebody at 150mph. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 524 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mitch: My 348 Sypder did 167 (clocked by Police Radar. I haven't tried to see how fast the 355 is, but I've seen 150+ on occassions, and because of strong acceleration, gotten away with it. Over 170, you are asking for big trouble. If you get caught, a certain license suspension, maybe worse. Art | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2002 |
The factory manual in my F355 indicates 183 as top speed. 348s are supposed to do high 160's stock 360s are supposed to do high 180's stock I think you will need over 400 HP to achieve 190's in a 348-sized car with 348-quality aerodynamics. SuperChips does not make a 300 HP engine into a 400+HP engine. I'd guess low 170's is max. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1023 Registered: 9-2001 |
please don't - | ||
| Dennis Walsh (Wheel_kinetics)
New member Username: Wheel_kinetics Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2002 |
Willis, While I don't mean to divert the attention of this thread, why would people be ticked off? It's just a car. Maybe I should start a thread for a civilized discussion? Dennis Walsh [email protected] | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 798 Registered: 8-2001 |
There has been many a heated discussion about Supras here. A few members get a bit ticked off when it's mentioned (I'm not one). | ||
| Dennis Walsh (Wheel_kinetics)
New member Username: Wheel_kinetics Post Number: 18 Registered: 7-2002 |
Willis, I have many cars which I love, that being one of them. What do you mean "here we go again???" You have a beautiful car also! I like the picture. Dennis Walsh [email protected] | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 797 Registered: 8-2001 |
205-210 in a Toyota? Oh, wait...don't tell me you've got a tweaked Supra?!! Here we go again... | ||
| Dennis Walsh (Wheel_kinetics)
New member Username: Wheel_kinetics Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'd like to hear what a 360 tops out at. I've had my Toyota at 205-210 on I-10. (Was hard to look at the tach ) | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 331 Registered: 3-2002 |
And an airplane to drop it out of.............. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 182 Registered: 5-2002 |
F40 Brakes | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 338 Registered: 2-2002 |
And better tires | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1022 Registered: 9-2001 |
a nice tailwind | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 142 Registered: 4-2002 |
190 in a 348? I think you will need lots more than a superchip for that. | ||
| Danny R. West (Dan_west348ts)
Junior Member Username: Dan_west348ts Post Number: 213 Registered: 3-2001 |
I was able to do 160 mph yesterday on my 348. Where I live, we have some good "country roads" where you can see for miles, no cops or traffic. I plan to do faster speeds in the coming weeks. I believe I will be able to go at least 190 mph. The superchips help. Dan |