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Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 51
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 7:41 pm: | |
Paul, do you own Odessy Batteries? You should if you don't! |
Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Junior Member
Username: Sloan83qv
Post Number: 250
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 7:37 pm: | |
http://www.odysseyfactory.com/ |
BobD (Bobd)
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Username: Bobd
Post Number: 271
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 7:26 pm: | |
Paul, I need more detail.
:-)
BTW, for those of you still interested in the Optima (although the Odyssey sounds like the best), it can be purchased thru Pep Boys... I think I paid about $90.
According to this (?), the Optima Redtop has 800 CCA.
http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_red.html
Paul, all kidding aside, thx for the all the info on batteries.... I learned a lot from your post!!!
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Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
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Username: Sloan83qv
Post Number: 247
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 7:09 pm: | |
Phone # 800-959-7757
What is the CCA rating?
The cold cranking ampere (CCA) rating refers to the number of amperes a battery can support for 30 seconds at a temperature of 0°F until the battery voltage drops to 1.20 volts per cell, or 7.20 volts for a 12V battery. Thus, a 12V battery that carries a rating of 600 CCA tells us that the battery will provide 600 amperes for 30 seconds at 0°F before the voltage falls to 7.20V.
What is the marine cranking rating?
The marine cranking ampere (MCA) rating refers to the number of amperes a battery can support for 30 seconds at a temperature of 32°F until the battery voltage drops to 1.20 volts per cell, or 7.20 volts for a 12V battery. Thus, a 12V battery that carries a MCA rating of 600 CCA tells us that the battery will provide 600 amperes for 30 seconds at 32°F before the voltage falls to 7.20V.
Note that the MCA is sometimes referred to as the cranking amperes or CA
Define the difference between MCA and CCA.
The marine cranking ampere (MCA) rating of a battery is very similar to the CCA rating; the only difference is that while the CCA is measured at a temperature of 0°F, the MCA is measured at 32°F. All other requirements are the same � the ampere draw is for 30 seconds and the end of discharge voltage in both cases is 1.20 volts per cell.
I have heard of an HCA rating also. What is it?
The full form of HCA is hot cranking amperes. It is the same thing as the MCA or the CA or the CCA, except that the temperature at which the test is conducted is 80°F
What is the pulse cranking amp rating?
Unlike CCA and MCA the pulse cranking ampere (PCA) rating does not have an "official" definition; however, we believe that for true engine start purposes, a 30 second discharge is unrealistic. With that in mind, the PCA is a very short duration (typically about 3 seconds) high rate discharge. Because the discharge is for such a short time, it is more like a pulse.
Are these a gel cell? What�s the difference?
No, the ODYSSEY is NOT a gel cell. It is an absorbed electrolyte type battery, meaning that there is no free acid inside the battery; all of the acid is kept absorbed in the glass mat separators. These separators serve to keep the positive and negative plates apart.
The key difference between the gel cell and the absorbed glass mat (AGM) cell lies in the fact that in the AGM cell all of the electrolyte is in the separator, whereas in the gel cell the acid is within the cells in a gel form. In fact, if the ODYSSEY battery were to split open, there would be no acid spillage!
I do not understand the Ah rating. Please explain.
The ampere-hour (Ah) rating defines the capacity of a battery. A typical battery that is rated as a 100Ah battery at the 10 hour rate of discharge is capable of delivering 10A for 10 hours before the terminal voltage drops to a standard value such as 1.67 volts per cell, or 10.02 volts for a 12V battery. Similarly, a 50Ah battery would supply a 5A load for 10 hours. The BP1000 battery is rated at 42Ah, so it can furnish 4.2A for 10 hours.
What is the reserve capacity rating? What does that mean in the industry?
The reserve capacity of a battery is defined as the number of minutes that it can support a 25 ampere load at 80°F until its terminal voltage drops to 1.75 volts per cell or 10.50 volts for a 12V battery. Thus a 12V battery that has a reserve capacity rating of 100 signifies that it can be discharged at 25 amps for 100 minutes at 80°F before its voltage drops to 10.75 volts.
Is ODYSSEY® a completely dry battery?
Because the ODYSSEY® has no free acid inside the battery, it is covered under the US Department of Transportation (USDOT) unregulated "wet nonspillable wet electric storage batteries" classification and International Air Transport Association (IATA) "unrestricted" air shipments categories. These batteries may be shipped completely worry-free.
You mentioned high impedance. What is it?
The impedance of a battery is a measure of how easily it can be discharged. The lower the impedance the easier it is to discharge the battery. The impedance of the ODYSSEY battery is considerably less than that of a marine battery, so its high rate discharge capability is significantly higher than that of a marine battery.
How much current is generated if I accidentally short this battery?
As suggested before, the ODYSSEY battery is a very low impedance product, meaning that the short circuit current can be extremely high. For a series system (24V), the short circuit current will be of the order of 2,500 amperes; a 12V parallel system will generate close to 5,000 amperes!
Do I ruin the battery if I accidentally drop it? Does it void the warranty?
Not necessarily, but it is possible to damage the internal connections sufficiently to render the battery useless. Our warranty applies only to manufacturing defects and workmanship issues; the policy does not cover damages suffered due to product mishandling.
What is so special about pure lead tin technology? Is it a new technology?
While the answer to the first part of the question requires a detailed response, the short answer is that the extremely high purity (99.99%) of our raw materials makes our product very special. The technology is not new; the sealed lead recombinant technology was invented and patented by us back in 1973.
How come you don�t have to winterize your batteries? What�s so special about it?
In general, winterizing strictly refers to a special maintenance procedure conducted on an automobile engine to insure its reliability during the coming winter season. This procedure essentially checks the engine�s cooling system; in addition, the battery is load tested according to a specific protocol laid out by the Battery Council International (BCI). While ODYSSEY batteries do not specifically require this test to be conducted on them, the final decision whether or not to conduct this test is left to the user�s discretion.
Are these Ni-Cd batteries? Why doesn�t somebody make these in Ni-Cd? Wouldn�t they charge faster with Ni-Cd?
No, the ODYSSEY is NOT a Ni-Cd battery; it is an absorbed (starved) electrolyte sealed lead battery. In general, nickel cadmium batteries are much more expensive to manufacture and recycle, so they are far less cost effective than a lead acid product.
A nickel cadmium battery would charge faster than a conventional lead acid battery; however, the ODYSSEY is NOT a conventional battery and its charge characteristics are somewhat similar to nickel cadmium batteries. In fact, with a powerful enough charger, it is possible to bring ODYSSEY batteries to better than 95% state of charge in under 20 minutes! That is very comparable to the fast charge capabilities of a nickel cadmium product.
Baker Batteries Odyssey Battery Specifications Odyssey Battery Applications
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Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Junior Member
Username: Owens84qv
Post Number: 225
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 6:37 pm: | |
Paul, do you have any other info on this battery (where to purchase, website, cost)?
Thanks! |
Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Junior Member
Username: Sloan83qv
Post Number: 246
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 5:46 pm: | |
Guys there is a better battery for all F cars,
It is called the "odyssey" and it is orange in color. Like the optima it is a Dry cell but it is one third smaller and puts out 1200 cold cranking amps compares to the optima reds 650 or 700. This is a big difference.
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Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Junior Member
Username: Owens84qv
Post Number: 224
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 4:56 pm: | |
I have an Optima Red and love it. I get back to Virginia about every 2-3 weeks and mine starts up with one turn of the key. They are about $130-$140, but worth every penny. |
Mike Fisher (Mikef)
New member
Username: Mikef
Post Number: 40
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 9:14 pm: | |
How old is your battery? Sounds like You may have a problem with something causing an electrical drain when the car is just sitting. Don't overlook this. You may kill off a new battery if this is the problem. |
Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member
Username: Boozy
Post Number: 92
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 8:48 pm: | |
You probably aren't driving long enough to fully recharge the battery after starting the car. Use a trickle charger. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 275
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 4:20 pm: | |
Warren:
You can shut off the battery and not have that problem in the future. Under the hood, passenger side is a cover: remove it and there is a switch to shut off your electricals. Battery won't go flat without the draw.
Downside is that the onboard computer needs about 5, 10 minutes or reorganize after you do this and want to drive again. however, that is about how long you should warm the car up anyway.
Art |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
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Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 45
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 1:40 pm: | |
Tenny, now that was funny, I wish I had said that...Chris |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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Username: Ernie
Post Number: 196
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 1:27 pm: | |
Ok??? Tenny? what ever that was all about??? |
Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member
Username: Tenney
Post Number: 87
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 1:19 pm: | |
Optima is okay if you're stupid or don't care about money. My wife buys Duracell for the headlight on my Schwinn.
Disclaimer: The above statement was intended in jest (think big internet smiley face). And for that I apologize as I truly wish that I were more serious. My apology, however, doesn't mean that I deserve to be forgiven. Please feel free to hate me forever and ever and ever. Oh, and as much as I wish I were the internet heavyweight champ, I hearby decline any challenges out of fear that I may chip a fingernail using the keyboard with excessive vigor. Now if I can only figure out how, I will post a picture of myself on my Schwinn in my (expensive) Evel Knievel suit.
BTW - The Optima's great (just don't drop too much coin on floor mats, fer cryin' out loud). |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 678
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:57 am: | |
I agree that the Optima is the way to go. It is a gell filled maintenance free battery. |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
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Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 43
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:02 am: | |
Oh by the way not too tuff to change, remove right front wheel and inner fender I believe... Guys correct me if I am wrong here.... |
Tim N (Timn88)
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Username: Timn88
Post Number: 496
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:02 am: | |
Dont change the battery, just use it as an excuse to drive the car more. |
BobD (Bobd)
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Username: Bobd
Post Number: 267
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:01 am: | |
I have an Optima.... it's great. |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
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Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 42
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:00 am: | |
Warren try an OPTIMA RED Label, you can use the yellow label even though it is a deep cycle marine battery. These are dry cell and are COMPLETELY maintenance free. These are great, we use them without complaint. Chris |
Warren L. (Warren)
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Username: Warren
Post Number: 5
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 10:49 am: | |
The battery on my F355 dies after one week of not charging it. And when I start the ignition the gauges flicker. I believe I need a new battery. What is the best battery for the F355 and how difficult is it to change it? |