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Manolis Pattakos (Manolis)
New member
Username: Manolis
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:53 pm: | |
At www.pattakon.com a new Continuously Variable Valve Actuation system is presented, with working prototype photos, plots and animations (even STEREOSCOPIC ones).
Any engine, racing or normal, can be improved as the torque can be about constant from very low revs to the top allowable revs of the engine.
Comments? Objections?
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Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2556
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 7:29 am: | |
its all Rob's fault for removing the spil chick |
Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member
Username: Jimpo1
Post Number: 596
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:34 pm: | |
Martin, if Bobo attacks your spelling, you're going down in FLAMES! :-) |
Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
New member
Username: Jcaspar1
Post Number: 14
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 9:56 pm: | |
Harlan,
Here is a link to the 2000 results which I quoted:
http://www.auto.com/autonews/cwirh17_20000517.htm
I could not find the complete 2001 results but in the catagory of premium sports car quality the Chevrolet Corvette was rated best with the Porsche Boxster and Honda S2000 tying for second. Things have changed since the 80's .
Here are those results:
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=517&CatID=1 |
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
New member
Username: Todd328gts
Post Number: 43
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 9:44 pm: | |
I have to admit...bobo did make laugh...What a BAFOON! |
Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member
Username: Hmott3
Post Number: 156
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 9:45 am: | |
Hey Jeffrey where did you get that, and can you show me how? |
bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 615
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 8:53 am: | |
what rock did this "bobo" crawl out from under??
nice 1st impression post...who the hell are you??
get off the sauce and go back to your corvette country...your ignorance shows in your first post dont let the door hit you on your ass,get outta of here bobo....... |
bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 614
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 8:49 am: | |
what rock did this "bobo" crawl out from under??
nice 1st impression post...who the hell are you??
get off the sauce and go back to your corvette country...your ignorance shows in your first post dont let the door hit you on your ass,get outta of here bobo....... |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2548
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 8:49 am: | |
Thanks Jeffrey,
see now THAT is FACT!
and there is the prove that the Corvette apparently is built much better than in 1973, which Ed had stated himself. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2547
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 8:37 am: | |
Hey Beau,
nice! who shows ignorance now?
"The fact that you feel corvettes are crap does not make it a FACT, it is an OPINION, learn to respect others."
exactly: "I feel" is the key word here. I meaning ME, feel, meaning my opinion! I never said it would be fact.
"Ignorance is the problem with our country, you are the problem"
now is that a FACT or YOUR opinion?
"I don't know what vette you were driving, but try another before you voice your ignorance"
Now that was a FACT. I tried it and it did not move. Barely a good product if you have to drive every car out of a production run to see if there is better (just MY opinion!)Ignorance, don't know, just stating a FACT!
"You seem to think that if someone doesn't own what you like, they are worthless. GET A CLUE."
Not WORTHLESS, just CLUELESS ! (that is just a joke but I could not resist )
YOu obviously just tuned in from CorvetteChat.com. That is okay. You do not know anything about Ed or m�self yet you are quick to pass judgement. I thought that was rather amusing.
Funny to me that your arguments to which you accuse me of being ignorant are really your opinions not your facts. So you practice what you accuse me of which makes you not so intelligent after all (are you still with me?). Funny also that you think Intelligence is the opposite of Ignorance, which it is not.
This board is all about opinions. Whenever somebody posts, it is about I think.., I believe.., I feel..
If you want ot attack me do it on an inteligent level, go after my spelling!
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John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member
Username: Futureowner
Post Number: 116
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 1:31 am: | |
Beau,
Do ya feel better now? Unlike your OPINION that Martin feels that those who do not own what he owns are worthless, the FACT is that Martin explicitly said that he hopes Ed is happy with his car. I do not see any reason to doubt that.
Also, the effectiveness of your critique is lost when you charge that Martin's opinion is based on a deranged view of social class and money.
Welcome to F-chat. I hope you make a better second impression and contribute positively to this site. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 297
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 1:09 am: | |
Bobo...LOL! Go back to LS1.com |
Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
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Username: Jcaspar1
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:55 pm: | |
Regarding quality. One measure of build quality is defects per 100 cars that occur within the first 3 months. This is 2000 data :
Average car 154 defects/100 cars
Lexus LS400 71
MB SL 85
Porsche 911 93
Jag XK8 95
Corvette 113
BMW 3 series 115
Audi A8 115
Plymouth Breeze 118
Lexus RX 300 122
MB SLK 123
Dodge Intrepid 125
F 150 132
Honda Civic 133
Chevy Malibu 133
MB C class 141
BMW Z-3 152
Camaro 157
Dodge Ram Van 198
Mercedes M class 200
VW Jetta 234
Ferraris/Vipers too low of production #'s
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Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member
Username: Jimpo1
Post Number: 590
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:23 pm: | |
Hey Bobo, is that any way to introduce yourself? |
Beau Taylor (Mrbeaubo)
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Username: Mrbeaubo
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:33 pm: | |
Usually I won't post in one of these flame threads because my common sense and intelligence tells me that people are stubborn, and even the most ignorant will never learn, but I will make an exception.
Martin, I wish you the best of luck in life, you will need it. Ignorance is the problem with our country, you are the problem, as with some of the others on this board, as well as corvette boards, mustang boards, etc. People need to learn to respect other people's property and views, despite what they feel is the best. Trashing another car based on your opinion only shows your ignorance. I own a corvette, I will own many cars. Every car has its pros and cons, and every car always will. The people that feel one car is better than another is blinded by ignorance (or testoterone  ) Nothing in life is perfect, and nothing will ever be. This entire argument is basically between the ignorant and the intelligent, and if you have to think which side you are in, then it is already too late. People do what they feel is in their best interest, respect it, or shut the hell up, we don't need to hear your ignorance. It's too bad the intelligent rarely speak up in these situations, all I have seen is ignorance vs. ignorance from both sides.
Here are some of Martin's comments:
"As far as a POS this is my opinion. Having driven a C4 on the Autobahn in Germany I had the most disappointing experience. That thing would not go past 120Mph and flet like it was riding on ice insterads of glueing onto the road. Frightning! Driving a same year TR on the same stretch (from work to home) that car went straight to 190Mph and flet like on rails. "
Basing your opinion of the vette on one ride is rediculous, especially one that does not go over 120? I don't know what vette you were driving, but try another before you voice your ignorance.
"I owned a 1973 Corvette at one point and thing was losing parts while driving on the street. These Corvettes are the most cheap made cars.
They lack complete power in high speeds. A Corvette to me is a cheap, disgusting looking "wanne-be". The interior is made entirely out of �plastic even the "leather" seats look like plastic. It is a red-neck answer to their pick-up trucks. The down, you can not install a gunrack in the rear window."
I'm sorry you have had bad experiences in a vette, and I respect your OPINION (KEY WORD THERE, look it up in the dictionary, everyone has their own). You seem to blur the line between fact and opinion in a way that so pleases you. You are fooling yourself, and looking ignorant in the process. The fact that you feel corvettes are crap does not make it a FACT, it is an OPINION, learn to respect others.
You need to re-evaluate yourself. Money does not make you better. Have you not yet realized not everyone can afford a 100,000+ DOLLAR CAR. You seem to think that if someone doesn't own what you like, they are worthless. GET A CLUE.
Rant over.
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Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 296
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 9:12 pm: | |
Arthur, I didnt know you had raced . I didnt race cars myself but used to race direct drive 2stroke karts internationally. I was also involved in shifter karts for a while. Unfortunately I nor my family had the funds to take me further. I did well and have trophys stored away in boxes downstairs somewhere. It would have been nice to try to take it to the next level but its a big gamble and alot of money at stake. SO I stopped. I used to race with Scott Goodyear and Paul tracey used to race at the same tracks as I did. They made it big, sort of. On a show I saw on Speedvision, Jackie stewart said you could buy a cosworth V8 in race trim for 18k, now the engine budgets are in the millions. It has eliminated the small guy with the desire but not the funds. |
bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 610
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 7:16 pm: | |
ed
the smartest post i have ever seen you write that im 100% in agreence with you...you speak my words completely....also people remember 9-11, that will make you think harder
bruce |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 106
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 7:11 pm: | |
Aren't motorsports a "give me" kind of endevour? Sort of like the Olympics. GIVE ME a place to train, GIVE ME a place to live, GIVE ME money for food, and I will train to win a gold medal so that I can then make thousands of dollars FOR MYSELF by product endorsements. Sounds like motorsports: GIVE ME a car to drive, GIVE me a track to practice on, GIVE ME a sponsorship so that I can train to win races and then make thousandsof dollars FOR MYSELF by product endorsements. This all sounds like a system that the average working guy could not really relate to. Most working guys don't have anything GIVEN to them, they have to earn it. If you can't earn it, then you don't get it. Tough luck. That's why I don't really understand the attraction of NASCAR racing. Average working class guys spend their hard earned money to see multi-million dollar corporate owned cars drive in circles. Big deal. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 564
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 6:46 pm: | |
Paul:
As you may or may not know, I used to race. I do understand the value of money when racing: been there done that. However, talent usually finds a way to get money. Take Jeff Ward. Not from a rich family, started with bicycles, rode motocross, got into IRL. Didn't pay for his ride, but talent was recognized, and he got a very good ride with Target.
Sure there are little rich kids in open wheel racing who paid for their ride. Like all the Brazilians. However: they are running with those guys with talent, and that tells me that even though they bought their ride, they have talent. Money won't get you a ride, nor will talent. You need both, but if your exceptional, you may not need the money. Memo Gidley is an example of the lack of money. He works very hard, is at Sears Point almost daily honing his skills. A prime example of the hard work ethic making up for a lack of money.
When I was racing motorcycles, I always figured that the vehicle was 50% and the rider the other 50%, while in cars the percentages were car: 75%, driver 15%, team 10%, so in that sense, you have to have money to run at the upper levels of cars, but when I raced motorcycles, money wasn't as big a factor (now the same with motorcycles, with Works Superbike rentals costsing over $500,000.00 for the season)
Art |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Irfgt
Post Number: 1669
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 5:13 pm: | |
It really does not matter how anyone feels about my Automotice choices as I am the one who made the decision to buy as everyone else buys whatever makes them happy too. If we all liked the same cars it would be boring. Every car made has issues and I am personally glad that they do as I make my living from other peoples bad luck and bad choices in automobiles. I am not a wealthy person. I do the best I can with the education and resources that I have acquired. I wish I had a 360, a 550, and an F-50 but I simply cannot afford them so I have to get the best things that I feel will give me the best value and fun for my dollars. The Corvette fills my dance card. I am nearing retirement age as well as physical ability age of continuing to work very hard as I do now. With this in mind, I have to plan for the future and the Corvette will need much less expensive future repairs than any Ferrari can promise and I simply can't afford big bills in the future for toys. If I were younger then my attitude would be different but I have to play the hand I am delt. I am an Automotive Enthusiast and believe that no matter what, every car made has some impact on the hobby. I respect everyones choice in whatever they drive for whatever reason. Only they really know why they purchased their car. It really makes you think when I see some single Mother come into my shop with several Children that she is raising alone for different reasons, and all she wants is for her Corolla or Sentra or whatever to just keep going just a little bit longer, and there I sit with four cars and three of them not even necessary. Please be glad for the cars that you have and the life that you have attained because there are MANY that would love to trade places with all of us. |
Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member
Username: Mr_0011
Post Number: 82
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 3:36 pm: | |
Nice car Edward. The C5 is an amazing machine. However, you should get a different shifter. IMHO, it's not that great. I'm sure an aftermarket one would be better.
And you should have gotten a ZO6.
Caravaggio Corvette's can make convertables out of them.
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Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 294
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 1:23 pm: | |
Like I said, Dave, nothing positive is coming out of this, thanks for continuing it. Im sure Ed's 308 is well cared for and since you are looking for the "right one" now would be your chance. |
Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member
Username: Davel
Post Number: 183
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:42 am: | |
I reread post...2...and 3...where are the insults....in between some people tell Ed his car is a POS and other things quality etc. Ed in post 3 actually states 308's should be worth more than they are. I see no animosity here from Ed at all. No post mentions anything derogatory until others chimed in first and Ed replies. Like Barry said...just a congrats would have been enough.
Ed posts one pic and says look what I added to my garage and then things go from there. He actually was posting in response to a garage and now about everyone chiming in to let him know he is making a mistake and he will be back, or he has a POS...yep...maybe he does, but its his and his alone.
I would say Ed has great respect for his Fcar and its probably one worth buying and will probably be a good reliable one for someone considering the things he has done to it. Also Id say he is a pretty big supporter of the marque considering the belt system he came up with to make that model more reliable. What more do you folks want from a good owner anyway....JMHO.. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 293
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:12 am: | |
Originally when I started this thread, I wanted ferrari related ideas to 'decorate' my garage with. Im half way to completion of my garage now and I thank all who contributed to my request. Ill post some pics when it is done. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 292
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:08 am: | |
Dave, I took your advise and reread some of the posts. I recall the 308, 348 and Tr being targets all in one post comparing them to the C5. Perhaps you missed that post when you reread them yourself. Either way, if I had posted that I just bought an SS camaro (for example) becasue it shamed my ferrari in everyway other than the name and that it was the best decision I made, I wouldnt expect a warm reception on a ferrari site. Im pretty sure Ed knew it would start something and here we are in the middle of it. Weve responded probably 75 times regarding this issue and Im not convinced a C5 is the right choice over a ferrari and thats my opinion. I think this post is becoming a waste of time because nothing positive is coming out of it and we should move on to other things. I think Ed will own a ferrari again in the future after he sells the vette or trades it in. |
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