| Author | Message | ||
| ctk (Ctk)
New member Username: Ctk Post Number: 48 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ed, You are a goldmine of information! Apart from the Haltech install being a P.I.T.A. would you still do it today given another chance compared to performance for the stock K-jet? My i/c is a water to air type, the baffles(fins) are welded onto the body of the cooler. It's made by Albert/KTM in Austria for Koenig. I'll have to cut it open to do any checking and repairs, a real pain, with no guarantee of success. My ignition system (circa '86) is the standard Ferrari/Marelli system with vacuum tube removed.(It's old fashioned compared to what can be done these days). That's why I'm looking into Nick's electromotive set up or any other system that can allow me fine tuning. I have to admit that getting to a dyno and knowing how to really use it will be a challenge in Singapore. Thanks for sharing your experience and advice. Appreciate it big time! | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2002 |
CTK, you have to remove you inlet manifold & plenum. then machine out the ports to accept the electronic injectors. (pain) thread in the new wireing harness, add new power supply, add inlet temp sensor, then get on the dyno for performance mapping. Now, with your air to air intercooler, aluminum has a way of fatigue hardening after too many hot and cold stress cycles. I would either get it TIG welded or just clean the split spot real good. Start with soap and water, then use a good electronic degreaser. Then let it dry for 24 hours, or put it in your oven at 350 deg for couple hours. (Don't let your wife catch you. ha ha) The use a top quality epoxy. At 80 deg C (176 deg F) I'll bet your inlet temp sensor retards the ignition timing to preclude detonation. Good thing. Chat later. Willis, Test ride a 512? Not a bad idea. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 296 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hey Rob, where are the pics of MY car? It's at Norwoods, and was probably in pieces! I'm supposed to get it back on Tuesday. I hope you and Bob and least said Hi to it! | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Junior Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 151 Registered: 3-2001 |
I would like to know about the electronic ignition too. I have heard that the Marelli ignition boxes are very expensive to fix. Does anyone rebuild them? | ||
| ctk (Ctk)
New member Username: Ctk Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ed, I am thinking of an ignition upgrade sometime. Wonder if it is worth the money though as the Marelli is working okay. I pushed my fuel system pressure to 90psi and that really helped the engine/oil/water temps. besides real big time acceleration improvements. My Koenig intercooler is leaking presently and is not filled with water. Operating it above 80deg C is not recommended and you can feel power fall off once it passes 80degC. I figure if I can get it repaired or replaced, I can get the temp down to about 60 or 70deg C at get the full 400bhp. Rear tyre wear really sucks when you are having fun!!! Can you tell me more about your Haltech? k.r./TK++ | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 45 Registered: 2-2002 |
CTK, My 308 QV engine is only 8.6 to 1 comp. ratio. ( I just double checked on that online service manual link.) Thus, with pump grade premium gas, I don't need an intercooler for 350HP with the current ignition mapping. Now, If (when) I add that air to water intercooler, I can raise the boost (it is now only 1/2 Bar, or 7.35 lbs max) and remap the ingnition system, then maybe 400+ HP. Whew, I need new back tires, mine are allready bald, too much drifting fun. ha ha Anyway, I do like my stock dual distributers, but there are no marelli components on the primary side of the ignition coils. The coils are fed their signal from an old, fully programable, HALTECH E6 ignition system.(circa 1992) I get a hotter spark then stock, run .028" Gap. (verses the stock .6 mm) The factory fuel system and pump seem to keep up now, but with more HP I might need new injectors, newer fuel pump, new system? I'll have to research that when I get to that state. (But, maybe we will be running "all of our classic" Ferrari's on alcohol by then.) But, don't ever run lean, don't ever detonate, or you might melt down. Then, I'll get that F40 crate engine, off of ebay, & drop it in! (ha ha) My oil & water temp all run the same as stock. The effluent oil from the ceramic turbine bearing dumps to the pan. I don't see any evidence of abnormal breakdown, but I still like to change the oil each 1000 miles. (Good reason to hang in the garage with a few greasy wrencing friends.) Ceramics may also run cooler, less thermal conductivity, but a large flow of oil goes to the turbine. (see the 3/8" line?) I have a turbine exhaust thermocouple and an analog gauge on the center console, I keep it below 1200 deg. I can run at 95 MPH with only 1200 deg all day long, done it many times, I then get 20 mpg due to the added efficiency of the turbo. ( yah, ha ha, look at all of the money I'm saving.) No vacume advance of course, all curves were programmed on the dyno during initial start time. Oh email, thats ok, my emil is all stuck in limbo. I need to update my profile. And, you need to post a pic too. I like Konig's | ||
| ctk (Ctk)
New member Username: Ctk Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ed, Been looking at your engine pix. I notice you don't have an intercooler. What boost do you run and what is your engine/oil temp. like after long hard runs? What fuel system pressure are you running and do you have any additional fuel enrichment? Are you on your stock Marelli ignition, does it have vaccuum advance? Lost all you previous info bits when my computer HD crashed and I can't email you at your email address. Thanks/ctk | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 581 Registered: 8-2001 |
Drove the 360 in the light drizzle yesterday before the heavy stuff rolled in. It just poured rain last night and all of today. On top of that, we're looking at possible snow for the next few days.  Hopefully, things will clear up a bit next week so the 360 and I could go play. The article did mention that the Turbo Boxer wants to go sideways if you're careless with the gas pedal. But they also gave an impression that it's a very drivable car. As far as passing smog? Who knows... That Boxer seems like a nice toy to have. Looks a lot better than stock too. | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2002 |
Any V12 with that much boost is gonna wanta spin em. (Now you go on to tire tech.) But, if you want safety buy a Datona, but if you buy that ,,buy a 1968 Chevy Camero 308 Indy Pace Car. Next you gotta get a real, Drag Car, Like Iron Joe Got. (see, he got that mid engine design, you can turn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and spin em, and drift it. (see,,,, each step in our path to mechanical enlightenment leads to another.) I'll bet your 360 can drift huh? I drifted a mean right hander the other day, and it wasn't on an onramp. I actually had room to drift because I was inside an industrial area. Mondials are easier to drift then 308's,,,,,Longer wheelbase....... gotta turn in, or you might spin it. I'll bet your 360's in a dry spot. Raining? So, this car (512BBI Twin Turbo) you think it can pass smog? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 580 Registered: 8-2001 |
I see it. The article says it's a twin-turbo on 17.5 psi boost. They upgraded a bunch of other things too. Look like a very professional job. Not a lot of performance figures in the article but I think it's gotta be unreal (could be quite a handful too). Ed, you could probably get more info on the car since you're so close to Norwood. Maybe even a test ride? Hehehe...  | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2002 |
Willis, It was parked out front. (I've had my eye on it for a while.) You can see it in the parking lot photo, the last poney car in sight. Red paint looks good, though it was a lil dusty in the photo. At this point, since you have the article, I'll bet you know more about it then me. I've only just had the chance to drool on it. I believe it is a late model Testa Engine. Is this true? Any Turbo's? (I hate turbo's! ------- ha ha.) | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 579 Registered: 8-2001 |
Guys, I just got the latest Forza (No. 37)in the mail. There's an article on a Norwood Turbo Boxer with 863HP. The original engine was swapped for a Stage 2 turbocharged Testarossa motor. Know anything about it? | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 42 Registered: 2-2002 |
Andrew, The Black 288 Repro is a 308 frame, with Testarossa hubs. I believe the rotors are upgraded along with the calipers, so,,,, It's on par with the breaks of a 512M. Suspension is factory A arms and looks like they added adjustable springs and Koni shocks. Its a beast, I'll bet it weighs in at 2k lbs when it is finished. Martin, I have a long way to go; 1) air box, i'll bet I can trace the white logo and do it myself. 2) inlet plenum, red flacking 3) I did spray the bottom of my coolent catch tank, to stop the corrosion, but I want to find a decal and redo the top. 4) Turbo is a little rusty, but that is protective oxide. I need a 1400 deg finish on that. ????????? Maybe I can have it blued like a shotgun? 5) Chrome strut rod..... etc. Then maybe I'll feel good about parking it in a trailer and never drive it................. Not. (ha ha) | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1594 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ed certainly can not win a concourse with that engine....but I have a feeling he is laughing about that  | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
New member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2001 |
what other upgrade do they have?esp the 1200hp black gto conversion ..brakes ? suspension? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1219 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, 4500 HP Acura Integra!!! Bob's latest mad science project. | ||
| Chris D (Prohydro)
New member Username: Prohydro Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2001 |
What is that white car in the second picture? It almost looks like an Acura-bodied funny car...obviously it's some type of race car...looks wicked! | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2002 |
T, I did mention it in that string. I don't know if it is for sale,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but then again, give NORWOOD's a call, I'm sure if the $ is right, it could be yours. But why stop at the GT4. Why not test drive a 900+ HP Testa? I remember seeing a couple of those is various stages of production "laying around" also. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
New member Username: Tillman Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2001 |
Cool pics, thanks. That 308GT4 in the 4th picture, is that the one referenced in the other thread in the Showroom section ( http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/18/8367.html?1015979016 )? Did anyone happen to get their asking price on it? Or better yet, is Norwood's the kind of place one can just call up if you don't already have a Ferrari? Thanks T | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1213 Registered: 12-2000 |
Bobd was getting an oil change, so Edward Salla and I met over at Norwoods for a little get together and lunch (Thanks Bob!). It was a last minute thing, that's why we didn't get the word out to the Dallas list. [L to R: Myself, BodD, Bob Norwood, Ed Salla - 350hpMondial, and James Paterson)  GTO conversions, black one shooting for 1,200+ hp.  360 Spyder and BobD's perfect 328.  Front parking.  3 FerrariChat'er cars.  Ed Salla - 350hpMondial  350 HP!!!  For your Ferrari and other exotic or even import service and performance upgrade, please give Norwood's a call at 972-831-8111. Be careful of a 100% stock looking 10 year old Supra... it has 800 hp! |