| Author | Message | ||
| Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Junior Member Username: Corsa Post Number: 230 Registered: 4-2001 |
What someone INTEND to do and actually DO are two completelly different things. I intended to sell my stocks last week, I promise. Now, give me my money back. Frank, as an attorney you should be aware of the difference. My wife is a patent attorney and knows the difference very well between naming something Ferrari or Dino. That V8-Dino thing is just plain stupid. The "Dino" you are looking for do actually exist today, it's called Maserati by most of the people. Ciao Peter | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 248 Registered: 5-2001 |
Brian, If your in Germany, here's a site in Europe that is advertising them for sale and there are quite a few: http://home.wxs.nl/~cate0025/buy_sell.html Joe | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1173 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mike, No it would be you guys that had it backwards. My prior comments were that a car should not be necessarily named after the engine manufacturer. There are a lot of cars out there with engines made by other companies yet the car is not named after the engine manufacturer. Think Acura NSX made by Honda; Ford Taurus SHO with an engine made by Yamaha; Dino 308GT4 with an engine made by Ferrari; Lancias with engines made by Ferrari; Cobra with engine made by Ford,McLaren with engine made by BMW the list go on. My Dino reference had nothing to do with who made the car or the engine. It referred to what Ferrari Spa originally intended to call its V8 road cars and that was "Dino". The literature of that era is clear in that respect. It was FNA that changed their mind for marketing reasons. That too is well documented in literature of that era. Look it up yourself before you further expose yourself as a mental midget. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2002 |
Frank, Over here an NSX is officially called a Honda NSX, what is it badged as over there, an Acura NSX? | ||
| Mike Dawson (Miked)
New member Username: Miked Post Number: 31 Registered: 2-2001 |
Once again Frank has it backwards. 1955-57 F1 Ferraris had Lancia engines (D50 & D80) which of course means that they were not "real" Ferraris. They were followed by the V6 & V8 powered F1 cars until the flat 12 of the mid sixties. Being "Dinos" they were not "real" Ferraris either which means that Enzo pulled off the greatest F1 scam ever, it seams that he didn't make any "real" Ferrari F1 cars for a decade! I guess it goes to show that it takes a DINO to get the job done. BTW, all 308 GT4 series 2 & 3 cars were badged as a Ferrari worldwide. | ||
| 1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
Member Username: Vilamoura2002 Post Number: 388 Registered: 9-2001 |
I own a Thema 8:32 Any questions or photos, please ask me | ||
| E.K. (Eulk328)
New member Username: Eulk328 Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2002 |
What I meant to say previously is that I believe the crankshaft turns in the opposite direction for the Lancia 8.32 application. Can anyone verify that? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1163 Registered: 9-2001 |
There were also some Lancia F1 cars in the 1950s that had Ferrari engines. And I believe the Lancia model that was in the Herbie Disney movies that was a big time Rally winner in the 1960s also had a Ferrari engine. Or mayby it was a Dino engine since it was not a v12 ! Ha Ha | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1923 Registered: 12-2000 |
The motor in the Lancia is in the same transverse position, as in the 308. The transmission of the Lancia is integral with the bellhousing, unlike the Ferrari's, whose is mounted underneath the engine. | ||
| E.K. (Eulk328)
New member Username: Eulk328 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2002 |
If I'm not mistaken, along with the different crank, the engine in the Thema 8.32 also turned in the opposite direction from the unit installed in the Ferraris. Can anyone verify that? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1920 Registered: 12-2000 |
Brian D.: "I think I may just take the chance and buy it. I've also found an '81 308GTB (2V) that supposedly needs an engine rebuild and is therefore fairly cheap. The plan would be to use parts of the Lancia's engine to repair the 308 engine." As much as it may be possible to convert (although I doubt it), I would see this as a waste of a perfectly good car! It would still be very costly as major internal parts are not the same. Buy and enjoy the Lancia for what it is, not as a parts car!!!  "Maybe even convert it to the 4-valve heads? Anybody know if this would work?" Four-valve heads will NOT bolt onto two-valve blocks (different stud measurements), hence the different block type number (F106_ for two-valves, F105_ for four-valves). | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 120 Registered: 8-2001 |
A very special car (to me): back in September 86, from behind a fence at Fiorano, I saw the old man get into one. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 468 Registered: 10-2001 |
I've got an article on the Lancia Thema 8.32 in the December 1999 Thoroughbred and Classic Cars Magazine 90 degree V8 4OHC 32 valves and 2927cc Bosch KE3 Jetronic Fuel Ignition 215hp @6750rpm 210ft/lbs @ 4500rpm I can scan the whole article if anyone is interested. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1109 Registered: 9-2001 |
Bob, 308GT4s WERE badged as a Dino by Ferarri Spa. It was FNA that changed the badging to Ferrari. And that was only on U.S.A. bound cars. 308GT4s for the rest of the world were all badged as a Dino. My original point was that Ferrari Spa intended all V8s to be badged as Dinos. It was FNA that convinced them to badge them as Ferraris so they could sell them. My 348 is certainly badged as a Ferrari. But, I would like it just as much with a Dino badge. | ||
| Mark Collins (Markcollins)
New member Username: Markcollins Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2002 |
useful link for info http://home.wxs.nl/~cate0025/history.html | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 395 Registered: 3-2001 |
Does anyone have any close up pics of the engine? | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 524 Registered: 3-2001 |
Frank, it's badged as a Lancia so I'd call it a Lancia which happens to be equipped with a Ferrari engine. Lancia also used Fiat engines. Similar to the Cobra, Pantera and Qvale Mangusta. They are not Fords although they have Ford engines. Older TVRs were TVRs although they had Triumph engines. Jensens were Jensens although they had Lotus and Chrysler engines. Old GM cars were badged as Chevy's, Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles although their body's were designed & built by Fischer. So a Chevy is a Chevy, not a Fischer. Your 348 is a Ferrari although the body was designed by Pininfarina. My 328 is a Ferrari because it's badged as Ferrari. 246's are Dino's because they're badged as Dino's. TR's are Ferraris because they're badged as Ferraris. It's the badging of the car, not the engine or body designer/builder. Various parts of the automobile design & manufacturing process have been outsourced since day one.... whether it's the body, the engine, the glass or the electrical system. Old Jags were not Lucas cars because Lucas provided the electrical components. They were badged as Jags. Seems pretty simple to me. I still can't find even one reference on my car's badging or in any of the manuals which states Dino. Zero. I'm having trouble understanding your rationale. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1100 Registered: 9-2001 |
So per the prior Ferrari-Dino-Fiat-Pininfarina discussions, should this car too be called a Ferrari instead of a Lancia ? After all Ferrari made the engine and drivetrain ! That's all Ferrari now makes of the 360, 456 and 550 models with the rest being made by Pininfarina. If a car is to me named only after it's engine/drivetrain maker then an NSX is a Honda, a Taurus SHO is a Yamaha, a Lancia Thelma is a Ferrari, a Fiat Dino is a Ferrari, a Shelby Cobra is a Ford and so forth. | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Bdimetres)
New member Username: Bdimetres Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2002 |
Thanks for all the info. I'm in Germany now and I've found one that's very inexpensive. I think I may just take the chance and buy it. I've also found an '81 308GTB (2V) that supposedly needs an engine rebuild and is therefore fairly cheap. The plan would be to use parts of the Lancia's engine to repair the 308 engine. Maybe even convert it to the 4-valve heads? Anybody know if this would work? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1919 Registered: 12-2000 |
No problem. You provided more detail  . Its true, not only did the Turbo 16V cost less, but out-performed it too! (in some aspects). But who wants to listen to a wheezzy four-banger? | ||
| Tim Hogan (Tojo)
New member Username: Tojo Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2002 |
Pete, looks like you can type faster than me | ||
| Tim Hogan (Tojo)
New member Username: Tojo Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2002 |
There's a story in the March 02 Classic and sportscar mag on the Thema's. Here's what it says about the engine: "although the Maranello concern did all the tooling work, it didn't actually make the engines:Ducati did. Though basically the same engine fitted in the 308/328, the 180 degree crank was replaced with with 90 degree throws to help balance out the internal forces" The Thema also came with an Alfa v6 or turbo 2 litre, which put out nearly as much power as the v8 for 17000 pounds less on the price tag. Lancia also used the Dino v6 in the Stratos, which IMHO is one of the greatest cars ever made. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1917 Registered: 12-2000 |
There are some external differences (like slightly different valve and cambelt covers, different alt: type and position, etc...). The major difference on the inside was the change from a flat crank to one with 90° pins. The block # is F105L (L for Lancia). These engines were assembled by Ducati. They never were turbocharged. I'll give it a couple more years, then these will be legal to import into Canada without mods. I'm gonna get me one! (understated sedan with a Ferrari V-8... Yummy  ) | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
New member Username: Kenny Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2001 |
The Lancia Thema 8.32 is based on a variation of the 3.0 litre V8 from the 1985 308GTB with a turbocharged engine I believe.. I dont think it's directly interchangeable with a Ferrari though.. I used to see a couple in the FNA parking lot many years back, probably belonging to some of the executives who work there.. | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
New member Username: Taunus Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2002 |
If you want to buy one (click on the image for more pics): http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/search.pl?CountOff=844&DataNr=14&DisplayDetail=11111111111492210&DoSearch=1&FormCategory=0&FormColor=%2e%2e%2ebeliebig&FormDate=0&FormDurchmesser=0&FormEZ=%2d&FormKilometer=%2d&FormLand=%2e&FormMake=14&FormModel=&FormPLZ=&FormPower=%2d&FormPrice=%2d&FormSort=0&Page=0&SearchCat=bereich%3dpkw%26sprache%3d1&bereich=pkw&sprache=1&x=75&y=11 | ||
| Joseph Caretti (Pino)
Junior Member Username: Pino Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2002 |
At the time (mid '80's) the Lancia Thema 8.32 was the most powerful front wheel drive car available. Torque-steer out the ying-yang! After a while, they were exchanging pretty inexpensively due to the mega maintainance costs and the fuel consumption. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1275 Registered: 6-2001 |
If its a ferrari engine i dont see why not. | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Bdimetres)
New member Username: Bdimetres Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2002 |
I just came across an interesting car: a Lancia Thema 8.32. It apparently is a factory-built car and has a 3.2L 32V Ferrari V8 engine (as found in the 328 and Mondial 3.2). The car is front-wheel drive and was only offered in Europe. Does anyone know if the engine is actually interchangable with an actual Ferrari engine? |