| Author | Message | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 97 Registered: 3-2002 |
Martin, Correct me if I am wrong, but the NHTSA stats are as follows: 50% of people who die in accidents while driving a passenger car, light trucks, or vans have been drinking. 30% of fatally injured motorcycle riders have alcohol in their systems at the time of death Ang get this! 50% of fatally injured adult PEDESTRIANS have a blood-alcohol level of 0.10 or more at the time of their accidents. Would be nice to correlate the amount of people who are drunk and DONT get into accidents as opposed to those who are sober. That way you can get one of those "Drunk drivers are x times more likely to cause an accident..." scenarios. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 324 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mitch, Aren't there some girls you don't want to remember?  | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1314 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mitchell, sometimes i'd rather not remember everything. Also, the excuse "i was drunk" always works. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2002 |
How do you know? I had many other experiences not drinking. You experience more sober than drunk! Or at least you remember more. ;) I can say that I remember every girl ... and everything. ;) | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1312 Registered: 6-2001 |
I hav so many good highschool memories that involve drinking. I could not imagine not drinking at all in highschool. I would have missed out on so much. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 148 Registered: 4-2002 |
As for "once a week" being the least you can drink at 17, or any age, I never had one drink until I was 21. On my 21st birthday, I got drunk just to do it, and have never drank since. Drinking does nothing positive for anyone. Why? In my honest opinion, you would be better off smoking pot. I have never done that either, but among the people I know, I have never met a person high on pot who got himself into a fight / accident / etc while all my drinking friends have problems all the time. Me, I'm just a vegetarian non-drinking non-smoking non-anything successful businessman who has a blast. Bla bla bla, high on life, bla bla, you have heard it before. However it is true, you don't have to drink to have a night on the town. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1311 Registered: 6-2001 |
Martin, Bubweiser must love my town, all my friends and i drink is Bud Light. Now its not a problem, but when i get older drinking light beer will be one of the ways I avoid the inevitable...a beer belly. I like having a six pack, i dont want to replace it with a keg. Bob, i dont get hangovers from drinking bud light. i can drink 12 and feel great the next day. When i get them its from mixed drinks, and those are usually gone by 3pm, which is when usually wake up after a night out. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 262 Registered: 9-2001 |
The worst thing about quitting drinking is, getting up the next morning and knowing that is the best you will feel all day | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2469 Registered: 5-2001 |
Statistics: 33% of all deadly accidents happen due to drunk drivers. That means statistically sober drivers cause 2 times more deadly accidents! Prost! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2468 Registered: 5-2001 |
Okay, from what we know now: a. Kenny is abusing alcohol and got a alcohol virus. b: Tim is trying to get a job at Budweiser c. Martin is drink since he was 12 d. Everclear really tasts bad. Now somebody tell me that we do not get results here on the Chat !  | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1310 Registered: 6-2001 |
I know its not, thats why i dont do it. I think walking home drunk is the only time i actually walk more more than the distance to where my car is parked! I do run, or at least till i got this d*mn hernia, soon though i can run again. i feel so unhealthy. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2002 |
Tim, From what I have learned about people who drive after drinking close to the legal limits(for those under 21 especially) is that they do not take into account the possibility of getting in an accident that under normal circumstances would not be conidered your fault. If a police officer finds that you are legally over the limit and where in an accident where a sober person was involved, they will come down hard on you even if it is technically not your fault. Just something not worth risking, even if driving less than a mile. Check your email! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1308 Registered: 6-2001 |
John, i know what you are saying. Alcohol is responsible for alot of bad things in this world. Generally, thats only when its abused. I know this from experience as well. A few years ago, a gradutate who was a sophomore at princeton was killed by a drunk driver. needless to say, this shocked our small community (pop. of pleasantville is 6500). Another gradute was killed 2 years ago the same way. Also a cousin of mine was killed while driving drunk in the 80's before i was born. Still, i know people who drive drunk. this doesnt stop them. They are, however, not really drunk, like not to the point where they cant walk, talk or not remeber their name. Like me they have been drinking their whole highschool lives. Its not like they drive far either, just a mile or so to home. I dont approve of it, i usually drop off my car at my house and get a ride to the party, or i leave my car at the house and get it the next day. My sisters did the same thing i do drinking every weekend in highschool and they turned out fine. One works as a field engineer for the big dig in boston, the other works in DC for senator cole (sp). Im not saying alcohol doesnt tear familes apart, kill sons/daughters/friends/family/mothers/fathers/etc., it does but only when used irresponsibly. Im sure alot of you think im a crazy alcoholic spitting out crap, but if you were me you would see where im coming from with this. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 93 Registered: 3-2002 |
I grew up in Slidell, Louisiana. And at one point 5 or 6 years ago it was rated the #1 underage drinking city per capita in the United States. Trust me, I know what ills can spawn from abuse. Tim, here is some food for thought: Alcohol is resposible for more deaths per year than all illicit drugs combined. Not saying everyone needs to go score some cocaine, just that alcohol can be very bad if abused. Anyone who has done their homework on alcoholics knows that it is a progressive condition that begins slowly and builds over time. It is all about setting, knowing, and respecting limits. The best selling drink amoung the younger crowd on Bourbon Street is called the "Hand Grenade." Chief ingrediant? Coincidentally is everclear(which I doubt caused Kenny's ailment). | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 322 Registered: 8-2001 |
You guys are definetly misunderstanding. I did not drink alot at all that night, in fact, I was NO WHERE near drunk. (Period!) I thank you for caring though. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1307 Registered: 6-2001 |
Solly, kenny is 17, once a week is about as low as it;s probably gonna get. I drink more than that, but i dont get hangovers. I also dont get drunk every time i drink. sometimes we just play @sshole (drinking card game) when nothing is going on. I think im gonna make a documentary on drinking in pville now. oh yeah, solly, i drink alot. are you saying im not going to create a meaningful life for myself? I think im doing pretty damn good. If only you knew how far i've come in the past 3 years. I used to not take school seriously and never did work or payed attention. I decided i didnt like where i was going, and the next thing i knew i was on the high honor roll. Dont get me wrong, im not a raging alcoholic or anything, i just drink with my friends alot, and enjoy myself doing it. I think drinking is alot better than doing drugs (which i dont do, and never did do). I have alot of friends who smoke pot, some are doing as good or better than me, some arent sucessfull, its just my choice not to because a.) i would rather kill brain cells with alcohol, b.) my parents would ****ing kill me, c.) i know better. wow, that got way off the point. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 335 Registered: 6-2001 |
Kenny- Stop with the booze. This is the 2nd time in 2 weeks that you partied all night and had a bad hangover. I don't mean to sound like your dad, but some of us here are fond of you. You are too young to be drinking like this, and you have too much work to do to create a meaningful life for yourself (especially if you want to buy the F-car in the next few years). Slow down. We can have lunch next week. Call me. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 320 Registered: 8-2001 |
You guys are all definetly missing the point. I did not drink alot at all, and I don't for that matter. I am 99.9% sure that this had nothing to do with drinking a cup or two of punch. Back to work. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1296 Registered: 6-2001 |
kenny, what you had the day after drinking was a hangover. I've had my stomach hurt th next day from drinking liquor (and coors light, which i HATE and never drink, even with a meal) | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 557 Registered: 4-2002 |
KENNY FINISH COLLEGE, GET MARRIED, AND GET YOUR F-CAR..LEAVE THE BOOZE FOR SOCIAL THINGS...IT DOES STUPID THINGS TO THE MIND..COME ON MAN.. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1295 Registered: 6-2001 |
I cant stand wine either, and ive never been drunk off it because of that. I hate it with dinner (id rather have a soda or beer.)Wow, only being drunk once? Europeans dont go out and party like us americans was what i used to think. My sisters boyfriend is from england, and he told stories how they all used to go out and get drunk. That doesnt sound much different from the US, in particular, pleasantville, whos kids drinks more than any town's kids in the county. Martin, you guys have some crazy liquors! You Germans are responsible for jagermiester, rumplemans and goldschlagers. When you drink those, you dont get drunk, you get temporarily insane and then wake up the next morning with the worlds worst headache. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 319 Registered: 8-2001 |
I am not trying to start an under-age drinking war . It was not a cup of everclear- it was mixed into juice/koolaid/water (or whatever they put in there). Do you really think I would get a crazy temperature on Monday after drinking a couple cups on Friday? Again, Like I stated in my first post, I had that stomachache-esque problem before I even got to the party, or even throught about drinking the alcohol. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2458 Registered: 5-2001 |
...actually not Everclear. We have other high % alcohol that the elders pass up as "digestives". A nice "Schnapps" after Dinner or Lunch was pretty common. Never liked them either but because I could have if I wanted to it was never a big deal. My first time getting really drionk was in 9th grade during a Class Ski Excursion. We had no more sodas and only a 2L bottle of cheap red wine. Drank that out of thirst and was really DRUNK! Since that day I have not had one glass of wine or Champagne. BTW the teacher laughed and said I had no excuse the next day on the slopes. That was his punishment, my pain! Never been really drunk since then. I am more against the double standard in politics on that matter. You can not handle a Bud Light at 18 years old, but you are expected to vote for the man that holds the launch keys and Codes for the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. THAT MAKES SENSE! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1288 Registered: 6-2001 |
Kenny's still young. I used to hate the taste of beer, now i enjoy an ice cold one when im relaxing. I dont really get drunk any more because im older now, its also a alot harder. When i was younger i my friends and i would each drink 6 and have trouble walking home, now i buy a 12 case that lasts me 3 hours, and im just feeling good. I rarely drink liquor because i hate the way it tastes, but when i do drink liquor its usually mixed and usually quality stuff, none of that $5.99 a fifth crap. Kenny, maybe you should stop drinking for a while. Another thought on drinking in young people is the following. I feel every young person should have some exposure to alcohol. while this may sound stupid and irresponsible, its not if you think about it. ITs always the kids who never drank anything in highschool that go to college, get wasted and get themselves killed because they dont know their limits or how to handle alcohol. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 358 Registered: 2-2002 |
I could buy that argument if he were drinking beer, but I don't think your parents served you a glass of everclear at the dinner table. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1084 Registered: 9-2001 |
I agree somewhat with Martin - which is more of a european approach - teach cosumption in moderation and over time and you don't have as many kids trying to od themselves when they get their hands on some | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2457 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why not, he is 17 years old for crying out loud. I had a beer at the dinner table when I was 13 or 14. No big deal. At least you are exposed to it and will not be bench drinking. He can vote for the friggn president in a year but can not handle alcohol? | ||
| David White (Dwhite)
New member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2002 |
Why are you drinking at 17? Everclear, that stuff is lighter fluid. We use to drink PJ punch (purple Jesus - who you saw after drinking enough)made out of that stuff in N.C. during college. Stick to something you can taste and enjoy . . . but, why are you drinking? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2453 Registered: 5-2001 |
It is the alcohol. Stick to good brands. Barcadi, Stoli, Jim B. Dr.M | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 318 Registered: 8-2001 |
Just got back from the hospital, I was in there from 4-9. Turns out I had a 103.4 temp and I was hooked up to an IV and had many many tests taken. I am a bit discombobulated, so I will post about this tomarrow. | ||
| Khoa Phan (Downunder)
New member Username: Downunder Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2002 |
16 years old here - the day my best friend's father picked me up in their 456GT, I was on my way to becoming the Ferrari fan that I am today. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 313 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thanks guys. Please realize that my age doesn't show my experience/passion for and with these cars. I am on the track more then 90% of the owners, and have probably driven/ridden in 90% of the past 20 years worth of F-cars. Thanks again. | ||
| Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member Username: Dbr328gtb Post Number: 105 Registered: 5-2001 |
Up at 2am, this is what I do for a living (and how I justify my Ferrari). Now I know you are 17, it is unlikely to be cardiac (my we have young Fchatters). If it recurs, go see an internist/pediatrician. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1280 Registered: 6-2001 |
When i broke the 2nd and 3rd metatarsel necks in my foot the doctor wouldnt clear me for football till after 7 weeks! I felt like i could run after 4, and the xrays didnt show breaks after 4, whivh means after 6 everything should have been ok. I missed a game narrowly lost that i feel i would have contributed to bc i was better (obviosuly) than my replacement. I didnt even know it was broken for 3 days bc i thought the pain would go away. By the time i had all the practices in to play i already missed all of preseason and 3 games, that was during my senior year. It was at that point that my football days were younger. When i was a sophomore and junior i thought i had so much time left to play, then i get hurt and miss games and realize that. 5 games later i walked off the field for the last time, victorious. i dont remember anyone not crying or choked up, or exchanging hugs in the locker room after the game or out on the feild after the game. I had bad knee pain for some time during the season, turns out i had a bruised tibia and a torn ICL, its a good thing i didnt go to a doctor because he would have made me rest it for a week. One of the many things i learned from football its to just suck it up, on sundays whe i woke up after a game it was hard to get out of bed bc of all the soreness, but did i ever go to a doctor? | ||
| yasir saifullah (Yasir)
New member Username: Yasir Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2002 |
Beeing a Pediatrician i do Sports Physicals all the time and i don't recall even a single occasion where i didn't clear the lad for sports.However i believe in Preventative medicine rather then Curative.It's just like bringing the ferrari in for 15k service rather then waiting for a problem to occur. I also agree with James here that any chest pain shouldn't be taken lightly regardless of the age.As James mentioned it could have been The Pleurisy (inflammation of the Lung linings),or it could have been The Costochondritic pain (the rib muscle inflammation) and in worse case the Pneumonia. I'm glad though that you are feeling better now but please never be too shy to visit your Physcian. Regards. Yasir | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 277 Registered: 5-2002 |
hypochondriacs live long. Tough guys die young. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Junior Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 51 Registered: 6-2002 |
Kenny - your best advice is not to take any advice from guys like me. That said, at 17 years of age, ischemic disease, that which most physicians become nervous about when someone mentions chest pain, is unlikely. Symptoms are more consistent with pleuritic (pleurisy) pain. However, as one who avoids the doctor (of jurisprudence) at all costs, I suggest that you seek professional medical attention. Who knows, you might enjoy some aspect of the physical exam. Dan is absolutely correct - for those who, as part of this thread suggested that pain should be ignored, I concur - WITH ONE EXCEPTION - chest pain in someone who you know little about (age, etc.). Jim Selevan | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1277 Registered: 6-2001 |
me too ed. I never went to a doctor during sports seasons for fear that a doctor wouldnt let me play. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1595 Registered: 2-2001 |
If I went to the Doctor every time I felt some kind of pain I would live there. The older you get the more you will hurt. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2001 |
James, Kenny - I am 17 years old- about 6'0 tall, and 155-160 pounds. Nope, I don't smoke, and I do not think we have a history of heart disease. No medication. My blood pressure is normal. I had a couple cups of "everclear" (190 proof alcohol)- punch. My breathing was fine, it just hurt to inhale. I have been extremely healthy for the last few years (knock on wood). The pain was not sharp-stabbing pain, it was more of the, "I got hit in the gut by a Lennox Lewis" pain . Thanks. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1099 Registered: 9-2001 |
I am a Doctor of Jurisprudence, call me if you get bad advice . | ||
| michelangelo pinto (Michelangelonyc)
New member Username: Michelangelonyc Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2002 |
i have had this before.. once i wrestled all my little cousins and the next day i had a tremedous pain in my chest. doctor said it was some kind of a pull ..i had xrays and all ..then a day or so later it magically went away | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 49 Registered: 6-2002 |
Kenny - How old? How heavy? Smoke? Family History of heart disease? Medication? High Blood Pressure? How much alcohol for how long? Short of breath? - We are just getting started here - Recent flu? Sharp stabbing pain on inspiration you say? Calf pain or swelling of one ankle? Do yourself a favor - seek a real medical opinion. Guys like us who practice medicine (Internist) and drive Ferraris would rather drive Ferraris. Now if you ask me what is causing that slight hesitation at 3000 rpm, now that's a different, and infinitely more interesting question. Jim Selevan | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 310 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hey guys, thanks for the replies! After about 24 hours worth of the pain, it has suddenly gone away. I wonder why I had it. Should I still get checked out even though the pain is away? Steven, we should have lunch sometime soon | ||
| Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member Username: Dbr328gtb Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kenny, I am a cardiologist. There are at least 30 different causes of chest pain, some of which can be life threatening. The diagnosis of chest pain can be complex and takes into account the nature of your symptoms, your age , risk factors, bloodwork, EKG, X-rays, and physical exam. While at first glance your symptoms sound muscular or skeletal, I agree with others that you need to have this checked out by a physician immediately. E-mail me if you have questions. Dan | ||
| Jeffrey Robbins (Teachdna)
Junior Member Username: Teachdna Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2001 |
Second that. There's no way a competent physician can give you any kind of an opinion over the net. Please get yourself to a doctor as soon as possible. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 333 Registered: 6-2001 |
Kenny- Don't play games with your health. No doctor is going to give you a diagnosis without physically seeing you and/or running various tests, despite your waiver of malpractice. You symptoms could indicate a wide range of possible problems. Go to your physician ASAP. If you can't get to your doc soon,White Plains Hospital happens to have a very good emergency room, and it's rarely crowded. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 309 Registered: 8-2001 |
The background information: Lately, I have been under alot of stress, and my brothers girlfriends mom died. I drank a little last night at a party- very hard alcohol- but before I went to the party, I had what felt like a cramp. My cramp was located directly under my chest on my right side- and I figured that it would go away if I did not think about it- so I did, and that did not work. Then, I was told that I might have pulled a muscle, so I stretched. It still hurt. Later on in the night, I went to another friends house to sleep over, and I was in an incredible amount of pain. I could not lie on my side, nor could I move in certain ways. I figured if I slept well, I would be better, but when I got up, it was worse. Instead of just being on the right side, it kind of spread throughout that whole portion- straight across my stomach. I have been having trouble walking without much pain, and it hurts alot when I laugh. If I take a deep breath, it hurts. Instead of going to a doctor or hospital, I decided to see what you guys have to say. Don't worry, there will be no mal-practice suite if something goes wrong. I would just like a rough idea of what this MIGHT be, and if I should seek professional assistance. Thank you. -Kenny |