| Author | Message | ||
| Mark Izzo (Tdf355)
Junior Member Username: Tdf355 Post Number: 72 Registered: 3-2002 |
Frank- Is a 10 cyl. a Ferrari or Dino? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1130 Registered: 9-2001 |
While my example may have been extreme, my point isn't. The fact is a private industry can make up rules that later turn out to be in violation of a sovereignty's laws. In that case, the sovereignty's laws trump the private industries' rules. Private clubs had rules excluding blacks, women and other minorities for years that have now been found to be in violation of the law. In the case at issue, while the FIA may not prohibit team orders, the Austrian's laws do outlaw fixing the result of a sporting event such as a race. But, you're correct that they will not likely indict as they don't want to incur Bernie's financial wrath of moving the Austrian GP to Haiti or somewhere. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 587 Registered: 4-2002 |
o j simpson....... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 514 Registered: 2-2001 |
Good example Frank... makes perfect sense now! Ernesto | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 406 Registered: 1-2001 |
I'm not playing poker with you Frank....  | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1125 Registered: 9-2001 |
I can shoot someone in a poker game and not violate the rules of poker but still be in violation of the law. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 513 Registered: 2-2001 |
The bottom line is that if the Austrian authorities release indictments for any Ferrari team member for what happened at the GP, they can forget about hosting any GPs in the future. Because of this simple fact alone, nothing will ever come of it. The bottom line is that they cannot be prosecuted because they did nothing to violate the rules of that sport. If they did nothing wrong within the sport, how can it be considered fixing? It will continue to happen until it is banned by the FIA, the governing body. Ernesto | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1122 Registered: 9-2001 |
Frederick, the speed limits in Austria, as well as other countries specifically state that they apply on the public roads, not race tracks nor other private property. In fact, even here in the U.S.A. you can drive 200mph all you want in your own back yard if it is big enough. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2491 Registered: 5-2001 |
I do not believe that this applies here. The team orders are stated and have always been stated so it is not something that was done without knowledge. Tampering is more when you have someone in the others garage and tamper with the cars. Whcih BTW I believe was done my the MOntoya crew on Rubens car in the last race. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 532 Registered: 2-2001 |
They must have 200mph speed limits in Austria! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1116 Registered: 9-2001 |
The point made in earlier post about jailing some folks about the race fix was referring to Austrian law, not the FIA. Regardless of what the rules of a private organization such as FIA are, if your conduct violates the laws of the country you are in, you can and should be prosecuted. Most countries, including most states in the U.S.A. have statutes which prohibit tampering with the results of a sporting event. The newspapers in Austria still have debates printed on whether or not Ferrari's conduct violated any laws. It's the laws of a sovereign country that matters, not the mickey mouse rules of the FIA. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2459 Registered: 5-2001 |
interesting approach here Craig. I was actually thinking the same thing although I believe that this would not be the case giving that Ferrari would hurt their possibilities for a Constructor Title, which truely is more important than the Driver Championship. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 403 Registered: 1-2001 |
I guess that means if they wanted Michael to win the championship at Magney Cours, someone needed to "fix" Reubens car at the beginning of the race. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 512 Registered: 2-2001 |
This is the official FIA review of team orders in Formula 1. Just an FYI to those of you who suggested that Schumacher and Todt be jailed for their actions! heh heh.. http://www.fia.com/homepage/teamorders/teamordersFIA.html |