| Author | Message | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 129 Registered: 5-2001 |
Just some information on disputes with Paypal. Paypals policy is for the consumer to file a claim with them within 30 days of an auction. I was past the 30 days and filed a claim with my credit company and they deducted the amount from paypal. So if you dont get any help from Palpal, go to your credit card company and file a claim. They are a lot more helpful. Just my 2 cents | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 528 Registered: 2-2001 |
People see your license plate every day when you drive! Ernesto | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1198 Registered: 9-2001 |
horse fly - while I respect you opinion I still disagree - posting your lp is no more risky than posting a screen name, car type and state which you live - if someone wants to find you they can | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 127 Registered: 5-2002 |
A month or so back, there was a thread entitled License Plate Photos which had pix of numerous personalized license plates on F-cars. At that time, I questioned the idea of posting these license plate photos because of the possibility of unsavory characters using the plate numbers for potential Ferrari theft. My concern was generally "poo-pooed" by the list members. Well what do you know? Along comes some guy with a phony raffle scam, and he cleans the wallet of several list members within a few days of his post. As I said in my original postings concerning the license plate photos, don't be too trusting! Phony raffle guy was able to rake in some cash without ever leaving his computer. Imagine what he could do with some more devious efforts. Trust no one. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 219 Registered: 4-2001 |
Update..... Chris Sawyerr is still not behind bars! | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 37 Registered: 2-2002 |
It would be awesome if we started a lawyer pool and it turned out that Sawyerr was handling all the money for the pool under a different username. I can see it now, every week, "All, we are getting very close to prosecuting this guy... we just need a few more weeks and a couple more hundred dollars for the additional attorney hours..." haha. | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 356 Registered: 4-2001 |
shall we start a pool for a lawyer on board to work on a case against him? I'm quite sure that if we work together we could nail this guy. | ||
| S. P. (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yes Mr Doody, That is the same guy......I guarantee it.. Looks like you were also targeted...and Lucky you didn't get taken for thousands...as I'm pretty sure others were victimized by Chris using this e-mail solicitation method... I believe he is still doing this via Ebay and have been targeting anybody he thinks have "deep pockets", not just Ferrari Fans. He has a vast selection of victims on Ebay and the internet....That is why this LOW-LIFE has to be STOPPED... We should take this SCUM down.... | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2001 |
that's the same guy? i too was contacted (355 luggage). the guy said that his feedback was "blocked" because some people had been harrassing him via the feedback. he refused to offer any other information though about who he was or why i should paypal him $1500. needless to say, i passed on the deal. doody. | ||
| S. P. (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2002 |
Found out that Chris is on Lurking on Ebay....his user id is "cmpbiz" and his e-mail address is [email protected] He is no longer selling things on Ebay (since his feedback has many negatives due to his FRAUDULENT AUCTIONS)....he is doing something better....he is solicitating BIDDERS via e-mail and claims that he has the same item they are bidding on and will sell it to them off Ebay.... How do I know??? Because I have been e-mailed many times by this dirtbag offering to sell me items that I was currently bidding on. One time he offered me New SET of 512TR Luggage, another time 360 chrome rims and wheels...and so on... He's smart because he looks for big ticket auction items and bidders with deep pockets....That is why he fell into our laps...FERRARI OWNERS = DEEP POCKETS So to contribute to Fellow Chatter's investigation of Chris Sawyerr...his Ebay USER ID is "cmpbiz" and the e-mail address that he uses is [email protected].... Hope this info is helpful in bring Chris to justice... Take Care and always be wary of any solicitations on the internet.... | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 111 Registered: 9-2001 |
I am not trying to call anyone a liar or a scammer but this is what I have found, some interesting stuff. Posted by Chris Sawyerr on August 15, 2001 at 23:57:18: [IP Address: 64.12.101.168] I have 3 spots at my local Mercedes dealer for these three cars. A 2002 CL55, 2002 C32, 2002 SLK32. I need to sell them asap. Make me an offer and they are yours. Email: [email protected] Thanx Chris Posted by Chris on August 16, 2001 at 08:46:58: [IP Address: 205.157.90.4] In Reply to: CL55 AND C32 AND SLK32 posted by Chris Sawyerr on August 15, 2001 at 23:57:18: my sights, and deposit have been set on the 2004 SL55 //AMG... Although the CL55 is a wonderful car as well... Ad No.: 194 - Subject: wanted lamborghini diablo turnkey - Posted on: 08/21/01 Reply to: chris sawyerr at [email protected] I need to purchase a Lamborghini diablo replica for less than $40,000. Thanx Chris | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2001 |
Forget about the raffle thing, did anyone actually follow that manties hyperlink? Scary! Really, really scary! | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 36 Registered: 2-2002 |
David Jones, Don't worry, try selling your raffle ticket to someone else. Did you at least get a receipt or ticket? | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 347 Registered: 11-2001 |
GUYS - DON'T WAIT FOR CHRIS TO RETURN YOUR MONEY. you need to contact paypal or your credit card company and DISPUTE THE CHARGE. no returns are forthcoming. and if PayPal tells you you're screwed because his account is empty, you will want to use this as your wake-up call to NEVER USE PAYPAL again. they are an unregulated bank. very sub-optimal policies. doody. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 183 Registered: 4-2002 |
Gasp! You mean Chris took the money and ran?!? I'm flabergasted! ;) | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2001 |
Update.... 8/02/02 Chris has still yet to return my money! | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 322 Registered: 11-2001 |
Oh funny Bruce, hahahaa, lets not start another turf war now. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1696 Registered: 2-2001 |
 My version of the fish which represents this thread. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2002 |
I must give Chris some credit....He's come a long way from selling counterfeit gucci/fendi bags and oakley sunglasses outside of Bloomingdales. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 637 Registered: 4-2002 |
hey ernie did you order your "fish-like" license holder yet??  bruce | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 321 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hey Chris, Listen the reason the guys on here are giving you a hard time is because they are looking out for each other. That is why most of us hang out here, we all watch each others back. At one point I'm sure most of us here have been burned at least once. We didn't like it and don't want it to happen to anyone else. Take for example parts, why is it that you can buy parts and get service in Europe cheaper than here. FNA has a corner on the market in North America, thats why, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. When it comes to a Ferrari people are trying to scam you left and right. So it isn't you it is the people that came before you. However once you are found to be a honest person, these guys go out of their way to throw business your way. Don't take it personal, we are just a tough bunch. Hey a few months ago there was a huge thread where we were at each others throats on the topic of religion. But when the dust settle we were all still friend. So if your legit don't sweat it. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1162 Registered: 9-2001 |
modman - I thought the same thing and post the link to the thread down below here somewhere - we never heard from lordvagabond | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 259 Registered: 11-2001 |
This back and forth battle kinda reminds me of another poster a while back from a young guy who claimed his girlfriend was going to buy him a brand new 360 as a gift and it was going to be his first car. This also sounds like an employee of Exotic Car Wholesale in Ft. Lauderdale doing business on the side. It sucks getting ripped off and nowadays you can't trust anyone especially if it involves sending money to a stranger and it don't matter if you have a legit business or not. | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 34 Registered: 2-2002 |
After reading all of the posts I like to say that I have changed my mind. Chris, I finally believe you and I'd like to send you 100 for my raffle ticket. I believe with all the negativity, most of the raffle holders will pull out which will give me a really good chance to win the modena. Actually, can I buy 2 tickets? Thank you. | ||
| Dave Trbizan (Davidt)
New member Username: Davidt Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2002 |
We know what this guy is......What I want to know is who the hell found the manties site and what the heck were you doing there? | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 349 Registered: 6-2001 |
I made a decision a long time ago on how I was going to deal with requests for charity from unknown sources (street beggars, etc.). I decided that I had no way of knowing the true needy from the scammers, so I give to everyone who asks. Call me naive, but that is my philosophy. Strangely enough, I have never regretted it, even after seeing guys like this run their scams. To those of you who gave money because this was a charitable cause, I applaud you. Please don't let a few low-lifes stop you from continuing to help those who need it. I know I sound like a liberal bleeding heart Democrat, but I am a registered Republican and a fairly effective businessman. It is just how I view life. Of course I'd like to get hold of this guy myself and go a few rounds with him in the parking lot, but that probably won't happen. You guys who gave to charity did the right thing. Chris did not. Be proud of yourselves. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 157 Registered: 12-2001 |
TO ALL OF THOSE F-CHAT MEMEBERS YOU BOUGHT A TICKET AND MAY NOT GET YOUR MONEY BACK.... I tried to call the Durham, NC police department today to report this incident. But, the officer that handles the internet fraud issues was gone for the day. Since I did not buy a ticket and was not harmed (other than getting really PO'd), I would suggest that anybody who does not get their ticket price back call the Durham police and report it. You never known, this guy may be know to the police for his frauds. The number of the Durham police is 919-560-4440. The duty officer told me that the normal hours are from 8am to 5 pm M-F (Eastern time). Even if the police can't do much, they can at least take a report and keep it on file. Maybe someday the info we give will stop this ***hole from doing this to other people. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 115 Registered: 8-2001 |
I just feel sorry for the guys that bought the raffle tickets. WHAT was going through your mind? If this raffle was to conclude in OVER 30 days, then why did you buy your tickets so soon? Couldn't you wait a while, to see if it was a scam, or did you think that the earlier you bought, the better chance you had? YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK......and you can't even depreciate it!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Junior Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 202 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have been following this post closely for a couple of days now. I think it's great that we step up for each other like this. Most of these long threads consist of a bunch of fighting among ourselves and to the new members it may appear that we could give a sh$% about the next guy. Good to see we look out for each other too. I hope this guy goes down hard. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 344 Registered: 11-2001 |
ANDRE - that's a joke right? like the "bro"/"manssiere" of seinfeld fame? KURT - no need to even purchas an email lists. there's quasi-legal software (quite capable, unfortunately) out there that will actually do a stellar job scraping web sites (like this one, et. al.) for email addresses. all in all, i bet he invested less than $500. the web page design (uh, theft) probably took most of the time. doody. | ||
| Kurt White (Ferraribooks)
New member Username: Ferraribooks Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2002 |
Guys, You see how this scam went down? Lets go back a few weeks shall we. First, the guy sets up a bogus bank account, thus he's able to solicit funds by using pay pal. Then, time to make this scam look official, how do we do that, simple, we design a website, we need some cars "for sale", no problem, there are thousands of adds already on the internet, let's use these images & descriptions & make it out as though they are ours. Ok, Website created, now time to register, that�s no problem, this takes 24 hours to register, tu-cows.com, very simple & effective, done. Now, time to email enthusiasts, let purchase some mailing lists, I reckon I'll send out 20,000 emails, heck we only need to sell 2000 tickets @ $100.00 a piece, should be no problem. OK, emails sent out, Website designed, bank account setup, now register with pay pal & start receiving funds. The greatest thing with this scam though was this, the fact that the drawing was over 30 days away, why is that you wonder? Very simple, not too long or unrealistic time period, & most people wouldn�t question this, especially since you have to sell 2,000 tickets, that�s quite a lot, but, in a 30 day period, doable. So, people send the $100.00, either by checks to his PO BOX or papal the money, after the 30 days are up, he's taken in $200,000.00 for doing bugger all. Come the big day 09-01-2002, time for the drawing & no-one's to be heard from, Whys his Website not working anymore? How come pay pal have his account blocked, why are his phone numbers no longer working, I wonder! This my dear boys was pretty obvious from the get go, luckily, you guys asked a lot of questions, the heat was put on & the guy knew he was done for, time to cut his losses & run. I bet he made a good bit of dough. These kind of people usually end up pushing up daisies long before there time. Kurt. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1687 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey, Yugos had Fiat drive trains so watch what you say. | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
New member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2002 |
...and when you're done nailing him, you can string him up by his manties. That'll learn 'im. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2002 |
bottom line this guy needs to get the sh*t kicked out of him! What a low life piece of dog sh*t! I hope you guys nail this bastard!!! | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 215 Registered: 4-2001 |
My contact at the FBI suggested that all involved file a complaint at www.ifccfbi.gov | ||
| J Dirk Carnahan (Dirk989)
New member Username: Dirk989 Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2001 |
Most of my law practice is criminal defense (Don't bother calling me Sawyerrrr), and I can tell you that the FBI takes an interest in this sort of thing. Has anyone contacted them yet? | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 343 Registered: 11-2001 |
HEY! some of my best friends are on yugochat.com! :-) doody. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 635 Registered: 4-2002 |
KEN I WILL GET THE BADA BING BOYS FROM BAYONNE TO HELP US OUT IN THIS SITUATION... BRUCE | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 193 Registered: 7-2001 |
I think he was used to dealing with those gullible bastards on yugochat.com. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 99 Registered: 2-2002 |
TO CHRIS SAWYERR: Based on David Jones' post below I have to consider you the biggest piece of sh$t on this planet. Stealing money from people is one thing, but to claim you are collecting for a charity for needy children and to assist those killed and injured on 9/11 is a totally different matter. Not only have you insulted everyone on Ferrari Chat, but you have insulted everyone who has a child in need of medical attention in underdeveloped countries and those who lost loved ones on September 11 as a result of terrorism. Because I lost several friends in 9/11 and volunteer to help disabled mentally challenged adults in my town, I take your approach to fraud as a personal attack. If anyone has been a victim of this piece of crap, please email me. I will volunteer the services of my law firm to file suit against Chris and his corp, and to file criminal charges. With that said, most of these con artists know the law fairly well and are rarely caught. With the resources on this list I doubt that Chris will be that lucky. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 98 Registered: 2-2002 |
Can't Rob Lay get the IP address of this guy and trace him that way? Between his IP address, his corporate registration info, and his paypal info he should not be hard to find. Once we locate this guy we can all pay him a visit as his home. I am sure his family and neighbors would love to know that he is a POS. Imagine his reaction when he opens his front door to find 100 pissed off Ferrari owners waiting for him. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 214 Registered: 4-2001 |
I just received a phone call from save the children.... They say that Chris was using their name without their knowledge, and that none of the proceeds from this raffle were set for their use... They contacted Chris, and warned him about using their name falsely, and that right after that phone call, the raffle page was removed from his website.... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 632 Registered: 4-2002 |
good post kurt.... | ||
| Kurt White (Ferraribooks)
New member Username: Ferraribooks Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2002 |
Guys, Wonders never cease to amaze me, I got an email from this plonker a week or so ago, i thought how the heck does he know i'm into Ferrari, i mean, he sent eamils to my AOL account, no one on hear should know that? If you paid him via PAYPAL, you MUST dispute this with, www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/buyer-complaint-outside <p> immediatly, they have very good security measures in place & if he has any money left in his account, it will be placed on hold until he can proove services rendered, contact paypal asap, don't delay, if he has withdrawn all his funds, then you're probably out of luck. Good luck to all that sent this plonker $100.00, i hope you get some recourse. Kurt. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2002 |
since this dirtbag is no doubt lurking on this and other sites...I'd advise that anyone who was victimized not post what they intend to do publicly... unfortunately, these guys move quickly and have probably shut down everything already. Even if you do get your funds back...there are some precautions you should take...If you aren't sure what they are...let me know. Notice how the Frauds always make themselves out as the victim...amazing | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 178 Registered: 4-2002 |
Guys, Guys, you are really in dream land. Don't you think he knew people would call fraud after taking in most of the $200,000 USD at some point? Please, you are in la la land if you think you will be able to call the police and show up at Chris's door with him going "Oh my! I guess I should not have ripped those guys off!" No, there will be no way to trace it. People should listen to me a little sooner and save some money. Ha! What do we have? Anm answering service, a PO box and a Domain name registered by Two Cows. Ya, lots to go on. This moron is not so stupid if you know what I mean. Scum? Yes. But a fool and their money... | ||
| S. P. (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2002 |
What a Scumbag. I knew it...Chris (if that's his real name) should be stopped... As I said before, I recieved SPAM emails from this guy over a year ago with the same Raffel (but for bigger stakes, a 360 spider) ...who knows how long this scam has been going on....but people have been sending him $100 and he has been disappearing or pulling the plug......he must be living in a big mansion right now with all the money he scammed from people on the net..... Well, if I were you "Chris"...get ready for a roommate named "BUBBA" and you can be his girlfriend.... Better watch your back b/c we are after you... | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 342 Registered: 11-2001 |
like frank, i politely asked for the information via email prior to purchasing a ticket. never got a response. doody. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 284 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bruce, That would be too good for him. Need something worse. Since this is multiple states - isn't this felony interstate fraud? Also the mails were probably used at some point. Would that not also make it mail fraud? Dave | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 822 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doubt about any refund. He's just gonna disappear.  | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
New member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2002 |
Congratulations Chris Sawyerr! You just won our "Ferrarichat.com" post of the month! Your business experience and wisdom have set you apart from the others and we'd like to reward that! You can preview your prize right here. Just remember to send us that $100 prize-release fee before collecting your award! Once again, thanks for coming out! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1174 Registered: 9-2001 |
Chris, I was going to buy one of your tickets and sent you a private e-mail asking for the car's VIN#. You never responded. Now I'm starting to think mayby it was a scam. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 631 Registered: 4-2002 |
you see guys, now its a crying act,he couldnt get more people to join his scam...and wants to end it,nice nice ...piece of •••• now he wants to vanish as he was up against a concrete wall,,i say •••• him...let him give back the scam money to all our f-chat brothers, find out who and where he really is, hog tie him and send him back to nigeria with a note, dont •••• with f-chat brothers... this really pisses me off, lousy c-sucker, if i had the time, i would get a possey , round him up,and bbq him....geez, this •••• makes me sick.... | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 213 Registered: 4-2001 |
According to your ticket sales, You have $18,700.00 of Our money in your posession! | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 212 Registered: 4-2001 |
Chris, You say..."I have been coming here for about a year and I know some of you posters agree with me on this one."... Yet the record shows your registration date is 7/26/02. with a total of 11 posts. Return my money or prepair yourself for the Federal Pen! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1159 Registered: 9-2001 |
if the raffle is cancelled why do people need to request a refund? You should be giving the monies back without requests!!! | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 211 Registered: 4-2001 |
Chris, that's too bad that you put an end to your raffle, as I was looking forward to winning the 360, But! If you had provided the info you said you would... "I will gladly and freely offer this information to people who have bought a ticket"... I bought a ticket and yet you failed to provide me with this information. What does that say about your credibility? I was one of the few who early on stood up for you, and you failed to return me email, or provide the information I asked for! As a result of your actions, if funds are not returned in a timely manor... I'll give you till the end of the day to paypall transfer the monies back to me.... Then I will prosecute you to the fullest extend of the law! | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi everybody The raffle we are having seems to be getting a lot of negative attention and negative comments so we have decided to pull it from our website and discontinue the raffle. I for one know that it truly was no scam and hope that the negative posters are happy and feel some achievement and success here. This is truly a good idea to me but how we went about it was I agree unprofessional and maybe to informal to get serious and positive comments and more ticket purchases. Maybe if it was planned and organized better it could have worked and the whole mood of this topic would have been different than how it is now. We ask that this topic be left alone now and the board go back to the way it was before I posted this message here, this topic was taking away what this messageboard is about and why I have been coming here for about a year and I know some of you posters agree with me on this one. To the people who bought tickets and wish for a refund please email [email protected] Thanks Chris Citycarbrokers | ||
| John Ames (Ameshouse)
Junior Member Username: Ameshouse Post Number: 61 Registered: 1-2002 |
TomD, I knew I saw it somewhere... Probably a severe case of CRS... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1158 Registered: 9-2001 |
john I think someone posted that story already in this thread - it has gotten so long though. good story though | ||
| John Ames (Ameshouse)
Junior Member Username: Ameshouse Post Number: 60 Registered: 1-2002 |
Remind us of anyone??? A city boy moved to the country and bought a mule from an old farmer for $100. The farmer agreed to deliver the mule the next day. The next day, the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry, but I have some bad news. The mule died." "Well then, just give me my money back." "Can't do that. I went and spent it already." "OK, then. Just unload the mule." "What ya gonna do with him?" "I'm going to raffle him off." "You can't raffle off a dead mule!" "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead." A month later the farmer met up with the city boy and asked, "Whatever happened with that dead mule?" "I raffled him off. I sold a hundred tickets at two dollars apiece and made a hundred and ninety-eight dollar profit." "Didn't anyone complain?" "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back." | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 192 Registered: 7-2001 |
Arlie, ahhhh, someone with a warped sense of humor like mine...LOL! | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2002 |
If anything, for those of us who didn't buy tickets, it's interesting to see this whole thing unravel. I think I might need to get out and drive my car more often. I think it would be pretty cool if everything pans out to be true and Chris comes back to us with concrete proof and makes complete fools out of all of us skeptics. I say it would be cool because right now it doesn't look good for him... and I like rooting for the underdog. For those of you who bought tickets, I suggest pulling out as soon as you can. If this is a scam, isn't it illegal? AND, how does one feel good about making money off of tricking people. I always wondered about the mentalities of those who are capable of doing such things. And that is a very interesting case study. I give much props to Chris for continuously writing back to defend his stance though. He could have easily just walked away. He says, "touche" | ||
| Robert (Ferraribob)
New member Username: Ferraribob Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2002 |
Amir: I live in Raleigh (part-time) and would like to check this place out too. I'll be in town the latter half of next week. | ||
| Amir H. (355spiderman)
New member Username: 355spiderman Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2002 |
I live in Durham,NC and will go to "CityCarBrokers"soon and find out whats the deal here.... | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 114 Registered: 8-2001 |
"There's a sucker born every minute.....and two to take him"......and Chris is one of them!!!!! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 113 Registered: 5-2002 |
Jerry, please provide us with the certificate number from the National Sloth Foundation Registration Bureau. Is that a "grey market" sloth, or one originally born in the United States? Pardon my questions, but one can never be too careful with sloth raffles, especially with both 2 toed, and 3 toed varieties available. I once had the same problem with a 9 banded armadillo raffle. I was afraid that I would end up with a 7 banded variety but I got lucky. Ended up being the winner and took home a scaly anteater! What luck! | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 191 Registered: 7-2001 |
I am holding a raffle for a 3 toed sloth. Tickets are only $50.00 each and sales are limited to 1000 tickets. He's kind of boring to play with and uglier than hell, but it is for a good cause...the "Jerry needs to put braces on his kid" fund. Pardon my ineptatude at this whole raffle thing, but it was my nephew's idea and so ...blame him I guess. BTW...anyone else notice that Mr. Sawyerrrrrrr always refers to himself with a small case "I"? Coincidence....or Freudeon slip? LOL Jerry. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2001 |
On thing for Mr. Sawyerr to remember - the people on this site did not become Ferrari owners by being naive or gullible. Most everyone on here are very sophisticated consumers. This a great example of what NOT to do if you want to make enough money to buy a Ferrari (or a good case study in how to "earn" a Ferrari by ripping people off). I was planning on calling the Durham, NC chapters of the Red Cross and Save the Children to see if they had ever heard of this raffle, but I guess Paul beat me to it. Let us know how that works out. I will be in the Durham area in middle August and will take a little cruise buy where this business claims to be. If they are really there, I will stop in and check out the cars in person and get VINs. But since we all seem to know that the cars probably dont exist and the raffle is a tad bit "suspicious", I will probably just end up waste gas driving around. I was willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but he is avoiding too many questions that any legitimate business owner would happily answer. As a person who has good knowledge of intellectual property law, the thing that annoys me the most is that this guy claims that he is legit even though he has cleary copied almost all of his web text from another broker site - it's a bad way to start a business when one of your first corporate acts is to set up your company for a lawsuit. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 209 Registered: 4-2001 |
Anyone notice that the blue 360 in the raffle has Florida plates? | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 350 Registered: 4-2001 |
I propose to give this guy a few more days... say until Friday for appropriate information. If Chris is legit, and say he doesn't have the VIN right now or he comes up with other excuses and insulting defending comments instead of honest answers... then we should contact the following: 1) SITEPROTECT.com http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=SITEPROTECT.COM&SearchType=do SiteProtect Security Company (SITEPROTECT-DOM) 1 North State Street, 12th Floor Chicago, IL 60602 US Domain Name: SITEPROTECT.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Administrator, Network (AN592-ORG) [email protected] Siteprotect 200 W Adams Suite 1001 Chicago, IL 60606 US 312-236-2132 Fax- 312-236-1958 Alert them that they are hosting a fraudulent business and provide them with the details. 2) Contact either : Corporation Service Company Registered Office Address: 327 Hillsborough Street Raleigh NC 27603 or someone with the state in regards to this business. ***** HOWEVER, I still will give Chris the benefit of the doubt and if he provides the necessary requested information - which even as a business owner, I would supply myself upon request - then he'll continue to get donations. Heck, I'd even buy one if he provides #1 some honest information and #2 professional responses. Keep in mind Chris, the longer you let this drag out, the more trouble your business will get into by getting flamed on this board, and others by word of mouth. Its better to clear up your name up front and make sure you have your ducks in a row, or else... might want to find someone else to scam. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 177 Registered: 4-2002 |
And he's selling tickets to people all over the internet. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2002 |
Chris, I am ok in the head...no, I am not Nigerian...I just spent too much time watching you A-Holes attempt to defraud my firm... The FACTs are: 1) you refuse to provide vin's and details on the cars you can win. 2) The charities have yet to verify your raffel and when you do provide a number it will probably be to one of your cronies. 3) your phones are all answering machines 4) both of your addresses are rented boxes. 5) your website is plagerized. 6) Not Once did you ask if anyone on the site could your brokerage services. 7)you keep coming back to the site repeating the same thing. You are a bloody Case Study!! Get over it!! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 171 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hmmm: hois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: CITYCARBROKERS.COM Registrar: TUCOWS, INC. Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net Referral URL: http://www.opensrs.org Name Server: NS.SITEPROTECT.COM Name Server: NS2.SITEPROTECT.COM Updated Date: 25-jul-2002 Not much info available on the site. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 208 Registered: 4-2001 |
Warren, I have yet to receive any Info or ticket... The Red cross called back and said they would know something by Thursday about whether they were contacted on a local level... They knew nothing about this at there national offices. Save the Children knew nothing about this raffle at the national level, but was to get back to me about it on the local level today, and I have yet to receive their call. | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 28 Registered: 2-2002 |
Come on guys, let's not get out of hand. I say just wait until September 1st, see who the winner is and give that guy a call. And while we wait, we can ask David Jones. David, I believe you bought a raffle ticket, did you receive all the information that was requested (ie vin#....) | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 206 Registered: 4-2001 |
Well that explains everything... I had parked the Yamaha in the trunk of that ol' hemi cuda, and it's not there either! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 110 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sorry to tell you this Dave, but your mom started renting out the old garage for exotic car storage. She decorated the walls with photos of Enzo, Sophia Loren, and other Italian celebrities. She had the old Yamaha hauled off to the dump. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 272 Registered: 4-2002 |
LOL | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 205 Registered: 4-2001 |
By the way Arlie, I still have that old Yamaha Seca 550 setting in my mom's garage... I was going to use the motor to make a bad ass shifter cart, But now I think we should raffle it off as. one bad ass shifter cart motor which still happens to be mounted in a motorcycle... I could print up tickets on the computer, and draw out of an old fish bowl... Any takers? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2002 |
Didn't Enron and Worldcom have plenty of facts, figures, and results to back up everything that they told their shareholders? And of course it was all a crock of baloney. Come September 1st, you could post the "results" complete with photos of the car and the happy winner, but that wouldn't mean a thing to any of us unless we knew the guy personally. By the way, I just found an old Ferrari in a barn that I bought for $100. I will post a photo of it on September 1st which will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything I say is true. Not! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 619 Registered: 4-2002 |
forget about vin#s or any other crap, just supply a duns#(dun and bradstrret # for any legit business) and a federal id #, (needed for any business), so simple.. | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 90 Registered: 6-2001 |
Very interesting how he just argues without supplying any of the information or explaining any of the suspicions about his "business". | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 489 Registered: 10-2001 |
Chris, I do want to believe that you're legit, but you make it hard. You haven't answered some very simple questions that a legit person would be happy to, like the vin# and raffel #. If you ARE legit, your ego is getting in the way of your business. Perhaps you're just stupid? Don't you want to make money and sell cars or what? This site is a very well known site for Ferrari enthusists and an entrapeneur who deals in Ferraris would bend over backwards to have good relations with the people here. You aren't doing that at all; you're just singing and dancing. Web sites like yours selling high end merchandise need to have some class. No typos. Good, clear pictures. Vin #'s of available cars. I would be happy to assist you and your business since you seem to need some help IF you are truly selling cars. Somehow I think you are just a con artist, and not a very good one at that. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1155 Registered: 9-2001 |
someone who has a ticke please get the info and post here - this will then end this | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1154 Registered: 9-2001 |
Enron, worldcom etc all ran scams from legit companies - sorry could not resist. Best of luck with your raffle | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi Everybody To Paul (Pcelenta) what the hell is with you and this Nigerian scam thing are you o.k in the head? I am not a Nigerian. I am born and raised in New York but now live in NC. Are you a Nigerian yourself because you sure seem to know your stuff or think you do, the more you post the more outrageous s#$t seems to be coming out i suggest you get your facts right as you are sounding pretty dumb about now. I am really getting tired of all of these comments and ask for it to end here and everybody go about their business and forget i even posted at this damn site. By the way i have contracts with Redcross and Save the children and contact people with numbers to verify everything. I will not post it on the board or give info such as this out so people can ruin the raffle as a joke to post up on here. I will easily and quickly give out such info to anyone on this board that has bought a ticket that requests it. Yes my site isnt perfect and the pics not perfect also but i really dont need all this debate and discussion on here about it. Yes maybe how i came off deserves such questioning and debate and maybe even the comments and my site probably isnt to easy to understand but i got my nephew to build it for me for a favor and that is what he built. As you can see someone here posted that we are a legit and registered company, so if this was a scam can the experts on the board tell me who would and why would i scam from a legit easily traceable company. Thank you to the ticket purchasers and the few nice comments on the board but lets say we leave this topic alone now and i will return on sept 1st with results. Thanks Chris Citycarbrokers.com | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 617 Registered: 4-2002 |
nice post warren, you are too nice bruce | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2002 |
By the way, that's not a very well designed website at all. I would suggest revising some of the text and cleaning up the pics. If the raffle is a scam, is this guy going to get into some big trouble or is it legal to organize such an event? Citycarbrokers, please let us know who wins the raffle and send some pics of the car when you get a chance. I think we're all very curious as to how this will turn out. One other question, if the person resides outside a certain area, carbrokers will purchase a modena for them, where will you purchase a modena? I think you should just send the vin # to quash all of this skeptism. And I must apologize for beating this topic to death, but Citycarbrokers, you should have known that all of these questions would arise with your post. I know a lot of people would just send 100 but come on, you gotta expect a few questions -you have to admit they are legitimate questions. Here's to all the entrepreneurs out there with clever ideas. | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
New member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2002 |
You ever try phoning any of the numbers on their site? They're all answering machines--never mind that there's no location given for the showroom... It seems that Thomas Magnum wasn't the only detective who drives a Ferrari! | ||
| Christian (Christiank)
Member Username: Christiank Post Number: 357 Registered: 1-2001 |
Do me a favour and don/t use the name Chris, Rob sounds better (more serious) - lol. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1367 Registered: 6-2001 |
If i ever have a problem or need something figured out, i know where to go. Erich Walz- thats a great post "Besides, I don't need to "win" a ferari because I'm rich." classic | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
New member Username: Warren Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jeez, You guys are ruthless. For Chris's sake I really hope the charity auction is for real. It is really nice knowing that we have people on this board that know their scams. Unfortunately so many "predators" lurk around sites like ebay. Here are two experiences with scams on ebay: 1) a guy was selling a high end exotic on ebay trying to pass it on as his own. The title was clear but it ended up being a car that was severely damaged, it just wasn't declared salvaged yet, AND it wasn't even his car, it was being sold somewhere else. He was going to sell the car, buy the car, take some of the money and fix it up and deliver it like new. He had a different screen name that he used to raise the price, once the auction closed, and his other screename won the auction, then he started calling up the other legitimate bidders and started to tell them that his screenname bidder had canceled out on the bid and that so and so was next highest bidder so he would sell the car for XXXXX amount. WHAT A SCAM. 2) Bidder buys a bunch of stuff from my friend who is selling clothing. She introduces herself as a high end client who will be needing a lot more clothes for her clients. She buys and pays on time, then she says, look you gotta do me a huge favor, I need a big order, she puts in a order for 20 articles and says she will get the check out after the weekend. My friend only sent a few articles, he tracks the check. When the fed ex package arrives, it's empty. If she got all 20 articles she would have gotten them for free. I will feel bad for Chris Sawyer if the auction is legit, but Chris can't blame everyone for being suspicious and cautious. I think its great that everyone is watching out for each other. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 41 Registered: 7-2002 |
it is a common West African surname. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 374 Registered: 2-2002 |
There is also something very strange about his last name. The only variation I've ever seen on the Sawyer name is when it is pluralized, as in Sawyers. I've never seen the double R on the end. Maybe he stutters??? | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2002 |
About Chris... 1) Chris is too polite to be American 2) Chris went to grade school in Nigeria, secondary school in the UK and attended some college in the US. He resides right outside of Duke University but only attends a community college in the area. 3) Chris pays $35 for 3 months use of the mailboxes he rents for these and other scams. 4) Chris has a sense of entitlement...you see back at home in Nigeria...he was a somebody..His family owned oil fields and other Big business or so he says. 5) Chris' mission is to defraud America...our Banking system...our government...our citizens. He needs to steal his American dream. Chris should be locked up...but he knows that this kind of fraud only gets you a slap on the wrist...banks write-off the losses...our government doesn't have the time to prosecute or deport. So when people are "on" to his scam he closes shop and opens up somewhere else. There are lots of Chris' out there... | ||
| Matthew Jenson (Moab355)
New member Username: Moab355 Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2001 |
Hey you can't trust these guys. They stole photos of a 355 Spider off my website and are passing it off as their car. They obviously have no class. They say this car has 9700 miles but it had 28,000 miles when we sold it. So I guess they roll back odometers also. I am sure everything they do and will do is a scam. Buyer beware you have been warned... | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 487 Registered: 10-2001 |
His web site (Raffle Man) has no address at all. No physical location. Ever hear of a car dealer who has no location? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1146 Registered: 9-2001 |
here it is - I see some similarities - this was a classic thread - http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/4035.html | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1145 Registered: 9-2001 |
not to change the subject but what happen to the guy whos famous friend was going to buy him a 360? did he say we would all see in the near future once he got the car - have not heard from him | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1144 Registered: 9-2001 |
Seems like we have more Magnum PI fans here than we though. Great detective work guys | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 410 Registered: 1-2001 |
I'm making no judgement here but I did find this information (based on Chris Sawyerr profile - North Carolina location): NC Business website (www.state.nc.us link) ************************************************** Name Name Type CITYCARBROKERS LLC Legal Limited Liability Company Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SOSID: 0639892 Status: Current-Active Date Formed: 7/26/2002 Citizenship: Domestic State of Inc.: NC Duration: Perpetual Registered Agent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agent Name: Corporation Service Company Registered Office Address: 327 Hillsborough Street Raleigh NC 27603 Registered Mailing Address: 327 Hillsborough Street Raleigh NC 27603 Principal Office Address: 4711 Hope Valley Road, #219 Durham NC 27707 Principal Mailing Address: No Address ************************************************* Two interesting things... 1. Date formed is same date as first post on FC 2. Registered Agent appears to be some kind of service company that you pay them a fee to be your registered agent. They have many many clients.... Note: NC info is limited and does not list company officers. I did check to see if C. Sawyerr is a registered agent of any other company and none are shown. | ||
| David Feinberg (Fastradio2)
Junior Member Username: Fastradio2 Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2002 |
...Perhaps you would like to add my recently aquired 2001 Ferrari Formula One car, or my orginal 250 GTO to your raffle, as they would add crediblity to your cause and certainly draw more interest??... VIN numbers available upon receipt of a good faith deposit... | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 349 Registered: 4-2001 |
anyway we can lock this thread.. and make it unable to receive responses? this is getting out of hand, and isn't really getting anywhere unless chris provides direct responses instead of defensive excuses. | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2001 |
Chris, you can't fool me. Besides, I don't need to "win" a ferari because I'm rich. Well, I'm not rich yet, but I soon will be. See, because of my excellence in my field I was selected to be a part of a very special business transaction. It was simple all I really had to do was give out my bank account and credit card numbers and I'm getting like 10% of a 60 million dollar transaction. The "big deal" is in Nigeria, but I've been assured it american dollars I'm getting. | ||
| S. P. (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2002 |
Chris Sawyerr STOP asking us for sympathy...just provide us with the info we ask and I will retract my comments.... You are NOT the victim here....You are getting what you asked for by being so shady and avoiding our legitimate questions.... Don't Buy fellow chatters....Chris is the Predator and we are his Prey.....He is lying in wait and will ambush us... | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 425 Registered: 12-2001 |
Actually, if this guy is bogus, using the wires to commit fraud constitutes a federal offense and the FBI could get on his case. As to the need for a copyright notice or other in terrorem language,assuming that Howie's allegedly purloined parlance was first published after the March 1 1989 Berne accession date in the US, no notice is required, but will, if used, still foreclose a defense of innocent infringement.The notice is merely the "C" in a circle,year date, name of copyright owner notice we all know and love. (The history of the "all rights reserved" language has its origin in treaties before our entry into the Berne Treaty, as i recall, and is probably not necessary outside the US anymore, and has no value whatsoever against a US defendant.) However, there is no innocence defense to liability for copyright infringement; innocence may in certain instances mitigate the award of monetary relief. For registered works, a willful infringement can result in a statutory damages award of up to 150,000 per work infringed. Actual damages are also recoverable, as is a disgorgement of illegal profits ,including indirect profits from the sale of products whose saleability was enhanced by infringing ad copy. Nuff said. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 282 Registered: 8-2001 |
Chris, The other chatters have said it far better than I could. You said you would provide the information to people who bought your tickets. If you are willing to provide the information, I am willing to put into an escrow account the monies for five tickets tomorrow. All you have to do is provide the info to the reasonable satisfication of the chatters. Howie, on your web site, I would put "All Rights Reserved" after your copyright notice. One association I am a member of brought in some experts to talk about this a few years ago. Their opinion was All Rights Reserved was important for complete protection, especially outside of the US. Dave | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2001 |
In all Christian fairness, and since I have purchased a raffle ticket I have cut Chris slack-a-mundo... But I personally have contacted both the American Red Cross, and Save The Children in an effort to clear up this matter. On a national level neither organization knows about this raffle... They are checking on a local level to see if it is legit... and have left messages on my machine stating that they would know something by tomorrow afternoon and would let me know the results of their investigation... Being the nice guy I am, I hope this is legit... but if it turns out it's not, if I remember right we can purchase an ass kicking on ebay and have it delivered... | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2002 |
P.S This isnt a Nigerian scam or any scam whatsoever and i am not a Nigerian. I am an American. Where do you guys get this stuff from?!! | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2002 |
All i have left to say is we will see on September 1st if this is a scam. We will post the winners delivery pics and contact infomation for verification. We will post the redcross and Save the Children check acceptances. All you doubters and non believers we will make sure we prove you wrong and repost your messages up next to ours and show you how wrong you were. See you in a month! All the people that bought tickets good luck and I hope that one of you guys win to make these guys even feel worse than they will for what they said about this Raffle. Thanks Chris | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 613 Registered: 4-2002 |
horsefly you forgot waxes and polishes in your shopping spree | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 107 Registered: 5-2002 |
The other day, while shopping for floormats and a religious license plate frame, I came up with a new garage idea: Paper the walls with old raffle tickets. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 115 Registered: 3-2002 |
I think people here gave you SEVERAL chances to prove whether or not you are legit. You have chosen to refrain from vindicating yourself. You are hanging yourself with your actions. My advice to you is to not let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out. | ||
| Red Lindell (Redhead)
New member Username: Redhead Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2001 |
Chris- Simple ?'s have been asked of you. If you answer these ?'s, we will be more than willing to support your raffle, and our chance at a dream for a lot of people. PLEASE--PUT OUR MINDS AT EASE!!! **The questions STILL remain: *** What are the Vin numbers of the two cars you can win? Who are your contact people at Red cross and Save the children? What is your state raffle code number? ************************************************* | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 612 Registered: 4-2002 |
chris you make me sick, we should find you and feed you to the apes in the zoo..or better back send you back to nigeria........... | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2002 |
To Ferrari chat members This is all getting out of hand and frankly i dont have the time and patience for all of this back and forth nosense. I dont see why i have to give you anything apart from necessary information about my business so you can feel comfortable about my raffle to which you havent even bought a ticket. I will gladly and freely offer this information to people who have bought a ticket as these people are truly interested in what i am doing and not for some show on a message board. If any Members who have bought a ticket and wish for a refund please email me at [email protected] and it will be sent to you via paypal. To those who purchased tickets and have some belief that this is not a scam thank you. To everybody else with negative comments and slanderous statements i wish you all a great time and life and and i wash my hands of all of you. Thanks Chris | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 608 Registered: 4-2002 |
chris all i need is your 1- duns # also 2- your federal or tax id # and my lawyer will check out your company , so i can put all my f-chat friends at a positive rest.. just produce that for me, and life will go on here for your raffle....very simple business request thank you, bruce wellington / eveready energizer battery co. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 39 Registered: 7-2002 |
who do we need to contact to get this guy removed? We should have a no-solicitation on this site anyway...Trading amongst ourselves is one thing...but preying on our chat is another...The fact that he keeps coming back to post is fact enough that he is a scam artist...he wants you to think he is legit...to fell comfortable with him...so he can F&%k you. | ||
| Howie F. (Brokerofexotics)
Junior Member Username: Brokerofexotics Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2001 |
Chris, Do you plan on removing the copywritten text from your sight or shall I have my attorney handle it? | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 114 Registered: 3-2002 |
CHRIS SAWYER, The questions STILL remain: What are the Vin numbers of the two cars you can win? Who are your contact people at Red cross and Save the children? What is your state raffle code number? | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi Everyone My post seems to be getting a lot of attention let me talk about some of the points raised by a few members here. 1.All proceeds every last penny will go towards the charities listed. 2.The Raffle is being held by us (Citycarbrokers) and not Redcross or Save the children this is clearly stated in the emails sent and on the website. 3.If 2000 tickets are not sold by the 1st of September the car will still be raffled and given to the winner. 4.If this was a scam or a con or a Nigerian scam as one poster humorously put it why would we be continuing posting replys and offering a refund back to people whos feelings towards the raffle have changed. 5.The reason we started selling tickets before the posted date of Aug 1st which is tommorrow is because 2000 tickets will take some time and we felt we needed to start earlier to get the word out so we can reach our goal. Lets try to be smart here if we issue someone a refund it will be how they paid us and it seems that 100% of the ticket purchases so far have been through paypal with whom we are verified with. You dont need a persons bank details to send them money through paypal. To the great poster who said this,you might want to get your facts right before you say more foolish things on here. This is our first time doing a Charity Raffle we havent offered or sent email about anything like this before. Thanks Chris www.Citycarbrokers.com | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 489 Registered: 10-2001 |
Actually, if you buy 10 tickets, your chances of winning are 1/200, if you buy 100 tickets, your chances are 1/20, etc. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2002 |
Did you guys see this one: "probability of winning 1/2000 or more depending on how many tickets you buy" Hmmm? correct me if I am wrong...if 2000 tickets are issued...the probability of winning is 1/2000 regardless of how many tickets you buy. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1164 Registered: 9-2001 |
Whether the raffle is legit or not, i would not send one dime to Save the Children nor the Red Cross because of their politics. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1140 Registered: 9-2001 |
the raffle is being audited and certified by Arthur Andersen - sorry could not resist | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2001 |
Along the lines of Caveat Emptor...since we are all so cynical.... Is the raffle being audited by an independent agency, by the raffle holders lawyer, etc.... If the results are totally at the discretion of the raffle holder and his "random number" generator, then I would be concerned that the raffle could be manipulated. Without independent verification of the results, I would be uncomfortable buying a ticket. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 152 Registered: 12-2001 |
IRS Revenue Ruling 67-246 clearly indicates that raffle tickets bought for charitable purposes are NOT tax deductible because there is the potential to recieve valuable consideration (the 360) for your ticket price and thus the ticket is not a true "gift." Also, some questions that everyone should consider: It is unlikely that 2,000 tickets will actually be sold. According to the website, less than 200 tickets have been sold (less than $20,000). If enough tickets are not sold to cover the price of the prize, what happens? Cancel the raffle, continue the raffle and the raffle holder takes the hit for cover the cost of the car? Also, the website also says that the right is reserved to replace the 360s with a prize of equal value, yet the value of the prize is not explicitly stated. Does the raffle holder actually have possession of these cars and if so, what are the VINs - maybe they are not even US legal cars. Also, to run a raffle of this form, the raffle holder needs a state raffle number. A few people have already brought this up and the raffle holder has yet to respond. I am not stating any opinion as to whether the raffle if legit, legal, whatever. If you want to spend $100 for the chance to win a 360 then buy a ticket. If you want to make a chartiable tax-free contribution to the Red Cross or Save the Children, contribute directly. That's the only real way to know that they will get the money and the only way that the deduction can be claimed. If you want to make sure that the money from the raffle is going to the proper charity, call the chartities and ask them if this is an actual sanctioned event. If they dont have any knowledge of the raffle then make your own decision about buying a ticket. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 264 Registered: 7-2001 |
Why is it that all the pictures of the cars CityCarBrokers have for sale are so inconsistent?? Some a big,small,blurry. They are taken in different parking lots, different showrooms, outside different strip malls and even outside competing dealerships. It looks like you compiled all those photos by doing a google.com search. | ||
| S. P. (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2002 |
Chris is a definite con-artist...kick him off this site. I received spam emails for this same Ferrari Raffle over a year ago and it sounded fishy than and it sounds fishy now....by the way...the Spam emails from citycarbrokers back then was for a 360 spyder, just to entice more victims.... Don't buy...it's a definite fraud...report them to Save the Children and the Red Cross...Scam.. I agree with Mitchell...Why don't they prove they are legit...it's because they are not...point blank. This online scam has beeen going on for years... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1135 Registered: 9-2001 |
Chris Can you clarify - all proceeds go to charity - ie the 200k or all the profit - i.e the price of the 360 coupe is say 150k, then 200k - minus 150 so 50k goes to charity. thanks | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 170 Registered: 4-2002 |
"I hope you feel good about what you are trying to do and take my hat off to you for being such a prick here" I do my best. ;) Really if you are honest there is a few things you can do to make everyone more at ease. What are the Vin numbers of the two cars you can win? Who are your contact people at Red cross and Save the children? What is your state raffle code number? You had to expect this. You start a website up out of nowhere and try to sell $200,000 worth of tickets for charity. This looks like one of the oldest scams in the book. You sell the tickets. "Contact the winner" and everyone just assumes they did not win and you pocket the cash. I can hardly see how you can be shocked at our reaction. If it walks like a duck... If you are legit I am still not sorry as you invited all of the suspicion you are currently encountering. Really, for someone dealing in such high end items you really have a utopian view of the world. Con artist exist and they try to pull these stunts every day. Saying that the auction starts on the 1st and having "already sold 187" of your 200 tickets before that date is yet another red flag as con artists use such statements to make it look like other people are buying and thus it must be safe. If you want to be taken seriously, stop crying about how unfair we are being and instead be professional and prove this is legit. Remember YOU are the one trying to get US to give you $200,000 USD! | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi Fellow Ferrari chat members I agree my website is not topclass or the best one around as i got my 20 year old nephew to build it for me for a favor he owed me. Looking at the site text where most of it came from me and looking at the text from exoticautobrokers.com website i agree there are some minor simililarities but this is marely a coinsidence considering we are in the same line of business. To any Ferrari chat members who bought a ticket from us and beleive that what we are doing is a scam we will refund your ticket purchases to you immediately and hope the next person with a good idea and good heart wont be tried and accused so hard like we were here. To Mitchell Davidson i hope you feel good about what you are trying to do and take my hat off to you for being such a prick here. To any website owner on this board thinking or wanting to accuse us of taking there text do what you have to as all of it is 100% original and copyrighted by us. Any memebers who bought a ticket and beleive it to be a scam and wish for a refund please email [email protected]. Thank you and god bless you all (even Mitchell Davidson) Thanks Chris www.Citycarbrokers.com | ||
| Howie F. (Brokerofexotics)
Junior Member Username: Brokerofexotics Post Number: 152 Registered: 11-2001 |
My Dear Friend Mitchell, Thank you VERY much for pointing this out. My attorney is already on stand by if the text is not removed within 24 hours. Howard Friedman, President ExoticAutoBrokers.com | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 166 Registered: 4-2002 |
By the way. Most of the text is just cut and paste from a friend of mines web site http://www.ExoticAutoBrokers.com Still think it's legit? I am not trying to be a prick, but I am trying to save people some $200,000 | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 161 Registered: 4-2002 |
Go ahead and buy the tickets. I hope it is not a scam, but it sure looks that way to me. Also, your pics in your header look very very close to expo motors showroom. Anyone thinking about dropping some money into this, call the Save the Children and the Red Cross and ask them about this. They will give you the real scoop. Here's to me being wrong I hope. | ||
| Mitch P (Mitchp)
New member Username: Mitchp Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2002 |
I too purchased a ticket, Its for a good cause and if lightning strikes I'll sell it to my tax attorney. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1158 Registered: 9-2001 |
Arthur, while I would take the 360 for the $65k in taxes it would be just so I could sell it and buy a 550. I sure wouldn't want to keep the thing ! | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 197 Registered: 4-2001 |
Well I guess I'll chime in here... I purchased a ticket to this raffle. Do I think it's a scam? No. Chris will send me all Info, and I will be able to deduct the price of the ticket on my income tax as proceeds benefit a charity. If you do not buy a ticket, my chances of winning a 360 will be even better, so do what you must, but unless you have proof that this raffle "Not Auction" is a fraud, I would be careful about what I said about folks... | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2002 |
Here we go again To Mitchell L. Davidson(Jussumfastgi) This raffle is not a scam how much detective work did you do to discover that and post it up there like you know a damn thing about it. The address on the site is actually a business address which you may not have no history of or now what one looks like. People like you are what make Ferrari chat a bad experience for some people. In my earlier post i stated "We are holding this raffle to also raise awareness of our new website and business and to attract customers to buy cars from us" so yes you see the word "new" there. What about this do you not understand and made you post that it is a scam. All the proceeds will go towards the listed charties it seems like you cant even do a good thing nowadays without some idiot questioning or trying to put you down. If you dont want to buy a ticket fine there is no gun to your head just think about what you say and how it affects people and their business. Thanks to the people that bought tickets and the ones that will in the future. Chris www.Citycarbrokers.com | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 280 Registered: 8-2001 |
On the second one, the first bill I got from IRS was for approx. $100,000. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 279 Registered: 8-2001 |
I know someone named Lance. His father committed suicede (sp) and left him with $30,000,000. Long ago, Lance increased it to over $100,000,000. Lance has never paid a cent in income taxes. Fair - no, but that is how it is. He spends much money on tax accountants and tax attornies. They tell him what to do to avoid audits. They tell him the legal way to avoid paying taxes, so it can be done. Life is too short to do anything illegal. Hence the recommendation to seek out the best tax attorney or accountant to eliminate or reduce the taxes paid. There may be no way or there may be a way. Generally the more complicated the return, the less likely to be audited. My audits were triggered by a fire where I lost everything I owned and the second one my wife trying to get more in a divorce, took my tax records, when she did not get what she wanted, she called IRS and said I was cheating on my taxes which I was not. On the first audit, the returns were accepted correct as filed. On the second, I ended up paying $1,200 due to incomplete records. However, I had saved more than this legally in taxes. Dave | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 158 Registered: 4-2002 |
Oh ya. This auction is a scam. The website was just setup, the addrss appears to be an appartment and the phone number is a shell. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 157 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have found that being "technically" legal does nothing for you when the IRS feels you are trying to avoid taxes. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 278 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have been audited twice. Neither was caused by something like this. I or my corporation have had vehicles registered at Mail Boxes Etc addresses in three different states. It has never created any problems and has been convienent. Of course I did not do anything illegal. I am sure that OR just wants money. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 154 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave, that's the fastest way to an audit I have ever heard. Lol. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 276 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jason, Have not read the raffle info, but a few comments on taxes. The very rich do not stay rich by paying taxes. Just the way it is. When you say Washington, I assume you mean Washington State. Drive to Portland. Get a Mail Box Etc. box for $15 a month. Then can register it there. No taxes. For income taxes, hopefully would not have to pay them up front. Talk to the wealthy people in your area. Ask who the best tax accountants or tax lawyers are. Get an hour or two with them. Probably will cost $200 to $450. However, they can probably find a legal way so you will not pay any taxes. Just the way it is. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 275 Registered: 8-2001 |
LOL, true | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 551 Registered: 6-2001 |
You guys are complaining about paying 65k for a 360? Anyone know a good shrink? Art | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 495 Registered: 3-2002 |
Hey, look at the bright side. If you win the car, your net is almost 90K. If you want the 360 and have the cash for taxes, etc., keep it. Otherwise, dump it and pocket the money! You could sell the car cheaply to a friend, for which they would indebtedly allow you to drive it whenever you felt. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1652 Registered: 2-2001 |
I was not attempting to make someone feel unwelcome, I was just asking a question that I did not know the answer to. Everyone is different and I was just asking for his thoughts. | ||
| Todd Chen (Tec)
New member Username: Tec Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2002 |
I noticed something recently: Out of all of the car boards I frequent on web, this is the only one that has people on it who consistently make others (often harmless people who are good contributors) feel unwelcome. It also has (by a wide margin, I might add) the most members who have a hard time getting along. Interesting, isn't it? Regards. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1346 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ed, maybe hes here for the same reason I am, because we simply like Ferraris. I cant afford the taxes on a Ferrari being that im only a college student and frankly i dont care if you think i belong here or not. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 110 Registered: 9-2001 |
I could buy a Ferrari tomorrow if I want to, which I really do. However I really dislike my job and I would rather get another job and then figure out my toys. I am going to get a Ferrari in the next year, so that is why I am here. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1641 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jason, I wasn't being mean, I am just curious. I don't go to the Lambo sites if there is one, because I will never own one because I can never afford one unless I win the lottery. I like some of your drawings by the way. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 109 Registered: 9-2001 |
Why do I hang out here? Because 99% of the people here are really nice and helpful. | ||
| Robert (Ferraribob)
New member Username: Ferraribob Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2002 |
I read on their website (www.citycarbrokers.com) that the raffle begins on 8/1/02. However, as of today, 7/27, there have been 176 tickets bought so far. How is this so? | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2001 |
I would venture a guess that not too many 308 or 328 or even 348 owners on this site could pony up $65,000 in taxes on a 360. Win it, sell it, use the proceeds to pay the taxes and then go buy a 348 with cash to spare for a few years of maintenace. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1635 Registered: 2-2001 |
To be blunt, If you can't even afford the taxes on a Ferrari if it were given to you then why even hang out here. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 108 Registered: 9-2001 |
What about income tax on the car. Surely uncle Sam will consider the car's value as income. So let's figure $150,000 for the car times 7.8% in Washington to register it, that's $11,700 plus plates and tags plus a service fee, $85. So you are at $11,785 just to drive the car plus however many tickets you bought. Then at the end of the year, if I understand how this works, you have to pay something like 35%. So that's $52,500. So the free Ferrari costs $64,285. Is this right? I have been looking at trying my chances at these raffles that I see all the time for Vipers and Ferraris but if this is the way it is I couldn't afford to win it. Please tell me that this isn't the way it works. The $11,700 I could deal with and throw in some money and try my luck but that would be it. | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2002 |
Anyone interested? | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi Everyone Its nice to see a few replys to my post about the Ferrari Raffle we are having. First of all this is a Real and fully Legal Raffle, where the winner only has to pay for the car Registration, taxes and tags and Insurance, Future maintanance of the car also, there are no other costs apart from this. In our website it says we also deal in Rebuildables if you are interested in that not that we only deal in Rebuildables. The car you get will be in good condition and as expected not a rebuildable salvage car mentioned by a few posters with dry humor. You guys need to stop scrutinizing and giving me a hard time here as 100% of the proceeds will go towards the Charities and will be shown at the end of the Raffle in pics. We are holding this raffle to also raise awareness of our new website and business and to attract customers to buy cars from us. Thank you Chris [email protected] [email protected] www.CityCarBrokers.com | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 348 Registered: 4-2001 |
FDLOL! great one Mitch! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 490 Registered: 3-2002 |
If you click on the link, there's a picture of some pretty smashed-up cars at the bottom. Hope it's not one of those! We actually have one of these at work every year for the local children's hospital. Same cost and # tickets, but you "only" win your choice of a Boxster, CLK or Z3. I think Chris should follow up on peoples' questions, though. | ||
| Mitch P (Mitchp)
New member Username: Mitchp Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2002 |
A city boy, Kenny, moved to the country and bought a donkey from an old farmer for $100. The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day. The next day the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry son, but I have some bad news. The donkey died." Kenny replied, "Well then, just give me my money back." The farmer said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already." Kenny said, "OK then, at least give me the donkey." The farmer asked, "What are you going to do with him?" Kenny replied, "I'm going to raffle him off." Farmer exclaimed, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!" Kenny replied, "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he is dead." A month later the farmer met up with Kenny and asked, "What happened with that dead donkey?" Kenny said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at $2 a piece and made a profit of $898." Farmer asked, "Didn't anyone complain?" Kenny replied, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his money back." Kenny grew up and eventually became the chairman of Enron Corp | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 347 Registered: 4-2001 |
Ken - stop by and see how legit it is. I think they already scraped the site for email addresses, since I have this post in my email. | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2001 |
Lotteries/Raffles are a tax on people who are bad at math! | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
New member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2002 |
their site mentions that they deal in rebuildables...wonder if the winner gets a rebuilt car with a salvage title... | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2001 |
These guys are located in Durham, NC and I will be that area in the next few weeks for vacation. I can stop by to get more info if anybody is seriously interested in the raffle. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 142 Registered: 12-2001 |
I am glad someone started to question this. I did not want to be the first cynic. I think many states have tie-in statutes to the DTPA pertaining to raffles/prizes/lottery situations so that may provide some protection. But, I am still leary of putting in my $100 (I never win anything anyway) even thought the yelow 360 is pretty sweet. Based on everyones comments so far, I think I will abstain from this raffle and buy some Texas Lotto tickets (wont win that either). | ||
| John Bicsak (Funshipone)
Junior Member Username: Funshipone Post Number: 93 Registered: 1-2002 |
I would want to see State Raffle # first their must be regester number. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1138 Registered: 9-2001 |
And fourth, do you want your money to go to the so called charity holding the raffle. In this case, Save the Children and the Red Cross are a little to liberal to get my money. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1109 Registered: 9-2001 |
yes you must pay tax on it, but some states don't have a tax so its better | ||
| Daren L Adkins (Schumi)
New member Username: Schumi Post Number: 29 Registered: 6-2002 |
This thread seems like a good time to question the validity of these types of raffles. First, is there any oversight by anyone to ensure the raffle is conducted in a fair manner? Second, is this type of raffle even legal? Third, since you are winning the car do you not have to pay the nearly 50% winnings tax plus the sales tax to license the car? Just wondering as I see these sorts of raffles in most car mags. | ||
| Chris Sawyerr (Citycarbrokers)
New member Username: Citycarbrokers Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2002 |
We at CityCarBrokers.com are having a car raffle to give away a Ferrari 360 Modena Coupe to the lucky winner. All proceeds from the raffle will go towards these 2 charities. 1. Save the Children 2. Red Cross There are only 2000 tickets in this raffle at $100 each, which means there is a 1/2000 possibility of you winning depending on how many tickets you buy your chances will increase. This is an International Raffle so if you reside outside of the U.S you may purchase a ticket and if you are the winner we will ship the car to you or purchase one locally to you. The Raffle will be determined and drawn from a computer program called Random Number Generator Pro 1.28 by Segobit Software which will randomly pick out a ticket number from the 2000 in the raffle and this will be the winner of the car. If you are interested in purchasing a ticket or would like more information please visit www.CityCarBrokers.com and click on Ferrari Raffle or email us back if you wish to purchase a ticket. Thank you for your interest Chris [email protected] [email protected] www.CityCarBrokers.com | ||
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