| Author | Message | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member Username: Ross Post Number: 217 Registered: 3-2002 |
boy, wish i had a spare $150k right now.....coz thats about what this guy would jump on if you showed him the cash.. all of this is repairable and if you plan to keep it in your own collection, the lack of books etc fades in importance...i wud be willing to give it a shot for that kind of money, but then again so would many of the rest of you i'm sure... | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2563 Registered: 5-2001 |
ELI, honestly I do not know the total story of this car. The light fixture fire is possible but to me rather unlikely. Could have been the ex-wife, who knows. As for value on an F-40 there is not much loss if the car has been fixed properly. F-40s are collector items. They are frequently tracked and most all of them have one issue or another that took them off the road and cracked something. As an example just look at some of the classics. There are cars that were totally wrecked and somebody just bought the mingled frame and rebuilt the car with components that did not even come from Italy and still the car is worth hundreds of thousands of $$$ | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Junior Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2002 |
Martin: what do you think is the value of the car after it has been fixed knowing the story behind the car. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2562 Registered: 5-2001 |
I will contact the guy. Had exchanged e-mail with him already. YOu have to see though that he is in the business and did all the work himself. Has the shop to do it and the tools as well. See the alignment etc., which is all done by him at no expense. This is why it does make sense for him but will not make sense unless you have these tools handy at no cost! The other thing is it took him over a year working after hours almost daily. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 148 Registered: 4-2002 |
Provided a prospective buyer was in a position to do some of the labour (stripping and some rebuilding) if the car needs $25K to repair I'll eat my left testicle! I would have thought it well worth the price being discussed regardless of any sort of history, provided its a genuine F40, i.e the VIN checks out. Has it been abused? Well it is an F40 road racer, surely designed to drive the nuts off in any case....go figure! Surely worth grabbing, repairing and adding to the collection for someone in a position to spend that sort of cash. This guy sorted one far worse and he obviously thought it was worth it! www.ferrarif40.de | ||
| Ryan Patrick Baker (Want_a_daytona)
New member Username: Want_a_daytona Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2002 |
Time to sell the house...  | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 140 Registered: 4-2002 |
Anyone interested should contact the german guy who rebuilt the crashed one, he'd have the best view on cost and effort involved | ||
| Christian (Christiank)
Member Username: Christiank Post Number: 354 Registered: 1-2001 |
Nobody is expecting you to own the car. But calling it "doing a client a favour" Oh well, then I am doing favours all day long - lol. | ||
| Edu Lin (Edulin)
New member Username: Edulin Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have a June copy of Autosport lying around and there is an advert for '2x Genuine F40 rear ends and 1 door and 1 side panel for sale'. Seems to be based in the UK. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1358 Registered: 6-2001 |
...another toy store special | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2527 Registered: 5-2001 |
Wade, from one dealer to another. Your response is very well. I have a good feeling about you. You appear to be a honest and straight forward guy. Hope we can meet one day. Martin www.4Ferrari.com | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 99 Registered: 5-2002 |
As to not being able to repair the kevlar panels and therefore you have to order new panels: I guess you are saying that the damaged panel is unrepairable and is completely worthless. So I guess they will just toss it into the nearest dumpster because it is unrepairable and worthless, correct? HAH! I'll send them $100 to pay for shipping it to me, because it is unrepairable and worthless, correct? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1348 Registered: 6-2001 |
True, if a regualr fire extinguisher was used its not the mess of the powder, its the fact that it will oxidize any metal it's on such as the engine, exhaust, or whatever. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 155 Registered: 4-2002 |
How about we pay for the car, + $25,000, and get it delivered to us in perfect shape? | ||
| Toby T (Tobyt)
New member Username: Tobyt Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2002 |
Another point... if the fire was put out with anything other than a haylon (sp) you are looking at possible hidden damage from the chemicals from a conventional extinguisher. I see lots of white goop on that bumper. | ||
| Wade R Nunez (308nut)
New member Username: 308nut Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2002 |
This is the last time I do a client a favor and try to market his damaged car for him, Jeez you guys are tough. I do not own this car never had. All I am doing is posting for a client and am just refering what he told to me about the damage. The car on my website is not the same car. That is a 700 mile 91 that the books were toasted in a house fire. As for hiding anything, not me if you want to contact the owner of this car please feel free to email me and I will send you his phone number. I did drive this car before the fire and it was excellent, as for being a suspicious fire, it is to me and I am certainly not going to call a client of mine a liar when he has spent over a 1/2 million dollar with me on cars. That would not make proper business sense. So if anyone has interest in this car I have no affiliation and am not profiting from it's posting, plese contact me and I will put you intouch with the proper party, NOMEX still on. Wade | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
New member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2002 |
LOL Horsefly, yeah Unrepairabelium is a b!tch these days. Anyway, Someone posted a link here recently to the site of a man who completely rebuilt this wrecked F40. I say someone contact that guy and im sure he'll tell you its a far less costly job than 25 grand. Seems to me that the damage done is really not as bad as it looks like. I say 2 new headlights and a carwash would do a lot :P ps: Could someone post (or email) that URL again? I've lost it  | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 102 Registered: 12-2001 |
I don't see the problem. KMart sells a combo pack with both fiberglass cloth, fiberglass resin AND Bondo for like $14.95(it also includes the squeeges). Yea, you may need several boxes, but you'll save yourself like $24,955.15. My speculation: Owner probably doesn't want it anymore because its not virgin. The "$10,000" discount, even if true, is a fraction of what he probably got a bunch from the insurance company for its diminution in value. | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
New member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 35 Registered: 9-2001 |
Regardless of where nad how the fire started, one of the issues could be related to parts availability. For many of Ferrari's more exotic cars, they only produce them in lots of, say 10. They will only doa production run once they have gotten enough orders for those parts. So, for many cars not produced in big quanitities (although i guess 1100 cars is a lot ) it could be awhile befor eyou're able to get all of the pieces of the car you need in order to get it fixed. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2002 |
Uh, fire travels UP, not down. I'd bet my lunchmoney it started at the exhaust (that, and fuses tend to prevent things like fires. Race cars even use circuit-brakers, rather than go withought.) I'll give you $20k for it even so :P (hey, an F40 with a repair history, even if it IS a completely-new-pannel order with matching numbers from FerrariSPA, is still hurting to the collector value. Guys, this ain't your dad's camaro, you can't bondo carbon/kevlar! :P Best! Ben. | ||
| Christian (Christiank)
Member Username: Christiank Post Number: 349 Registered: 1-2001 |
As far as I know Wade is on of those ferrarilist guys who are the kings and queens in one person. Oh well. No offense. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 107 Registered: 8-2001 |
This car is nothing but a con job.......by seller, and dealer, alike. End of story!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2514 Registered: 5-2001 |
If he does not want to go through the trouble, I will offer $ 180,000 | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2513 Registered: 5-2001 |
As a car dealer I must say I gladly pass on $10K profit by investing $265,000 and hoping to find a buyer for a $275,000 car in this or any market for that matter. NO way! As for the $25K damage. Well we all know the prices. To me it looks like more than just that. To me it also looks suspicious as there is a fuse that will prevent this from happening. The muffler looks like it has plastic on it which requires a complete exhaust change. $$$ Ding Ding Ding! As for the client, he already owns this car. He should fix it and then sell it. Let him make the $10,000 extra for the trouble. He has no money to invest but $25,000. Just appears fishy! | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 305 Registered: 2-2002 |
Boy, I cannot wait to hear what Ed and Magoo have to say about this. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 98 Registered: 5-2002 |
$25,000 to fix it? Sure, but only if you have to order an entire brand new rear panel from Ferrari in Italy and have it hand delivered by the ghost of Enzo himself! Jezzzzzz, it's just a CAR for crying out loud. It's only metal, plastic, or fiberglass which could easily be repaired by any one of 10,000 body shops with experienced workers. Maybe someone is figuring $12,500 apiece for the left hand pair of tail light lenses. If the exact same damage was on a Camaro or a pickup truck, it would cost $500 to $1000 to repair. Notice that I said REPAIR, not ORDER the entire rear end of the body brand new from the factory at outrageous prices. But because it's a Ferrari, everybody thinks that it is made of UNREPAIRABELIUM which requires an entire new panel and all brand new parts. What a crock of hogwash! I guess until the repairs can be made, the loose panels will have to held in place with FERRARI duct tape, which no doubt costs $2000 a roll! | ||
| Scott Grossman (Sngsmgaolcom)
Junior Member Username: Sngsmgaolcom Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2002 |
Wade, How does a shorted tailight start a fire like this? Even a 20amp fuse would blow way before anything like this could happen? Please tell me that Ferrari in their infinite wisdom didnt use fuses on the F40's electrical system. Just wondering | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 104 Registered: 8-2001 |
If the books where lost in the fire, then, were where they kept?......on the rear bumper? You are a car dealer!!!!!!!!.....even at $275,000 you could make an EASY $10,000 profit by having it fixed yourself (240+25=265). I don't know of ANY car dealer that would easily give up $10,000......does anyone else? Something doesn't make sense, and I feel you are hiding something. I feel the owner got his "bundle" from the insurance company, and is just trying to peddle off the car, through you, to some sucker, so that he can even make more money!!!!!!!! | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 304 Registered: 2-2002 |
Wade you need to be prepared to be thrown under the bus many times on this board. HAHA I told you not to rev this car and drive it that way. Now look what you did. HAHA Just joken' | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1338 Registered: 6-2001 |
Drop the price 40 grand and maybe you will get a bite. A car with no books or records and fire damage isnt getting that much. Maybe 240k if it were fixed. On your website its priced at $370,000, and it says : "Books were lost in fire, all tools and records available none nicer you must see this incredible example. This is one of the best in the world." is this a different car? i noticed there were no shots of the rear of the car on your site. From what you are saying the car is driveable and it only has cosmetic damage. | ||
| Wade R Nunez (308nut)
New member Username: 308nut Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2002 |
Well the car is really only worth about $275 before the fire, it has no books or records. The cost of the rear clip and for the paint work is $25k and that is all it needs t be road worthy. This car would never be worth 300k+ That is why it is priced accordingly. Not hiding anything!!! I am not fixing it becasue I do not own it this is a car that a client of mine ask me if I knew of anyone interested in it. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 342 Registered: 11-2001 |
Yep, I was wondering the same thing, Henryk! Nothing like buying a scorched F40 for $240k with a $25k-plus repair bill hanging over your head . | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 103 Registered: 8-2001 |
I am always amazed at "repairable" cars. If F40s are going for over $300,000, and this car will only cost $25,000 to fix, then why don't you have it fixed yourself.........since you are a car dealer, you should have NO trouble getting it fixed. This makes absolutely NO sense to me.........only that you must be hiding something. I wouldn't be surprised that anyone who buys this will be SHOCKED at the true cost of reapair. BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1141 Registered: 9-2001 |
Ernesto, you guys have the Dino thing all wrong. The whole deal started when I stated something to the effect that when the 308GT4 came out is was originally badged as a Dino. In was. The 308GT4 was never badged as a Ferrari by Ferrari Spa..I further stated that at the time, according to a lot of articles I have read, that Ferrari Spa intended all V8 cars to be Dinos. FNA changed the Ferrari Spa. position and subsequent 308s and 328 were badged as Ferrari. When the 348 started developement Ferrari Spa suggested that it be used to bring back the Dino name. FNA agained changed the Ferrari Spa.position and we have had the 348, 355 and 360 all badged as Ferrari. Look it up yourself. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1334 Registered: 6-2001 |
What is it with Ferraris and spontaneous combustion?! | ||
| Wade R Nunez (308nut)
New member Username: 308nut Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2002 |
The fire was caused by a short in the tail light, nothing to do with the engine or exhaust all of that is still in perfect condition. Wade | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 516 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey, you are forgetting that its a Dino! That's why its so expensive. LOL Ernesto | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 191 Registered: 4-2001 |
25 grand to fix.... Too bad it's not a Fiat, $250.00 to fix.. | ||
| Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member Username: Hmott3 Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2001 |
is that a straight pipes fire? So much for the 6 foot flames shooting out the back being "cool". | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1333 Registered: 6-2001 |
F40's are hot cars. | ||
| Wade R Nunez (308nut)
New member Username: 308nut Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2002 |
If you want it call me or email me. This is a great deal cost about $25,000.00 to fix. Service done and new clutch. Wade Fortune Motors Inc. 504-442-2525  |