| Author | Message | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 565 Registered: 6-2001 |
Frank: There is an option for a spare for both the 348 and the 355. Very few were ordered, but some of the cars did indeed have them. Art | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2544 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jonathan, As long as Rob and the other guys budge for you and your reputaton I have no objaction. I know how it is. I am a dealer myself and especially on the consignments there is only so much we know. Was just a funny observation. | ||
| Jonathan Peck (Jonathanp)
New member Username: Jonathanp Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2002 |
Martin, thank you for your concern. This is a consignment car that our client bought from The Auto Toy Store approximately a year and a half ago. This 94 spider actually has no issues. It is in need of a 30K service, but is in extrememly good condition. If you check the 10th digit of the VIN "R", you will verify that even with a March 93 production date, it is a 1994 year model. The picture format that states the spare tire is a generic form used for our Ebay auctions. It was an oversight on this car, we apologize. Thank you, Jonathan Peck Exotic Car World | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2543 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why is it that Toy Store Cars always have "issues" and "questions"? Even if they are only related? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2542 Registered: 5-2001 |
Also if this is a production date March 1993, why is it then a 1994 Ferrari 348 Spider? That would make it a 1993. I have a 12/1990 TS, would that make it a 1992 Ferrari 348TS ? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2541 Registered: 5-2001 |
I do not believe that this is entirely correct. There is a cap on it if your estate is larger than so many acres or your house is worth more than $x (which I believe was 2 acres and $600,000) Did the 355 come with a spare? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1168 Registered: 9-2001 |
Florida allows an unlimited Bankruptcy exemption for your home. So if you're sued, you file bankruptcy and can keep your house regardless of its value. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1167 Registered: 9-2001 |
I would like to see that 348 Spider spare wheel/tire that they list as in good condition since the 348 Spider did not come with a spare. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2539 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jonathan, looking though your site. The 348 Spide rin black...why is there a The New Toy Store Plate still on the back.That would so take me off the car if I would be looking for one. Knowing the history of the Toy Store I would assume there are LOTS of issues with this car. Just my 2c. | ||
| Jonathan Peck (Jonathanp)
New member Username: Jonathanp Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2002 |
Charles, my name is Jonathan Peck with Exotic Car World in Irving, Tx (Dallas). If you are interested in a 550 Maranello, I would encourage you to check our website. We have a '99 550 Maranello that we have been asking $174,900 for, but are prepared to take around $155-160 for it. It is Rossa Barchetta with Natural interior and is in excellent condition. It has 13K miles and has had the 15K service done by Ferrari of Dallas approximatley two months ago. http://www.ExoticCarWorld.com/images/sale/Ferrari/550%20Maranello/550.htm Please give me a call if this car interests you. Thank you, Jonathan Peck 972-252-1001 office 972-252-1002 fax | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 103 Registered: 5-2002 |
Doesn't Florida have weird laws concerning civil suits and homeowners? If a Florida homeowner gets sued for a million dollars and loses everything, doesn't he still get to keep his million dollar mansion because of the Florida laws? Isn't that why a former NFL player moved from California to Florida after some "legal" trouble in Brentwood? | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 173 Registered: 4-2002 |
Not all Fl car dealers are bad. (martin etc) But if you run into a bad one, FL is a "Shelter" state, and far and away the worst one. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 330 Registered: 11-2001 |
martin - could you please educate us on this whole florida car dealer thing? being one yourself (well respected), are the laws in fact such that the buyer is at a substantial disadvantage when dealing with a dishonest FL dealer? i'm interested in a general education on this point - not trying to bash on FL car dealers. doody. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 171 Registered: 4-2002 |
100% true, believe me! Ever wonder why most "online highline exotic sports broker!'s" are based in Florida? | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 329 Registered: 11-2001 |
mitchell - is that for real? even with a signed contract? you couldn't even sue in civil court for lost interest and costs incurred? the law actually caps damages to amounts paid in? that seems insane. doody. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 278 Registered: 1-2002 |
TWA, I accused them of nothing. Just suspicions... | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 168 Registered: 4-2002 |
A good rule of thumb. If they are based in Florida, don't buy from them. Florida is one of the only states (the only) that considers car dealerships taking money and not giving you anything a pure civil court matter. No criminal charges. You can pay 130k cash for a used 550, go to pick it up and have them say "F**k Off!" and you can do nothing about it other than sue them to get your money back. Even if you win in court, they will face no penalties other than having to pay you back. What a rip-off | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2533 Registered: 5-2001 |
MOdman, I have an eviction case coming tomorrow and will meet with my attorney. He does a lot of Small Claim stuff. Maybe you want to give it a try. I will ask how much he would charge to represent you and get the ball rolling. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2532 Registered: 5-2001 |
I second that from Modman. I heard similar stories from several people as well. Deposit for WHAT? | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2001 |
Also stay away from Exotic Cars Wholesale in Ft. Lauderdale, they sell cars that they don't know history of and make up stories of how great condition the cars are that they are selling on consignment. If they ask for your deposit tell them to **ck off. Had a major problem with them as the owner and one of the salesman scammed me.... long story....They do bad business practice and have ripped many people off of their deposits I have heard from many dealers similar to my experience. | ||
| nick m........ (Nickm)
Junior Member Username: Nickm Post Number: 106 Registered: 8-2001 |
Anybody heard of a guy named Bret S. from the Toy Store? He bought a car of mine and claimed to own the Toy Store. Based on everything I've been reading here, I think he was the owner. | ||
| TWA (Exoticars)
Junior Member Username: Exoticars Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2001 |
It's Steve Levine and Peter Wolofsky at the Toy store. Anyway, I also have not bought a car from them, but don't hear great things. Dave, I would be careful, however, what you accuse them of and where you do it.  You weren't very subtle. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2002 |
Charles Rich, I have not had very good exoeriences with Steve Harris. I live only 400 miles from them, and have requested prices for service including pick up and delivery for two cars at a time with no response. I will not contact them again! in | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2528 Registered: 5-2001 |
Charles, if you want ot have a pre-purchase done, let me know and I will give you my mechanic. He does them for you and he is GOOD! Depending on what you want to get done he does PPI's for $ 200 to $400 with full compression check. He is about 20 minutes from The Toy Store. | ||
| Charles rich (Ccr2002)
New member Username: Ccr2002 Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2002 |
Thanks again for all the advice, I don't plan to do business with the toystore obviously...and do not live in FLorida so will probably not ever do business with Shelton Ferrari. I live in slc and just wondered whether they would do a pre-buy inspection. The car looked nice and honestly they sound like they are hurting for cash and will drop the car by 20 or 30,000 to move it. That's the only reason i wondered about the car. We have a great dealer here in utah, STeve Harris imports, and they are being very fair and honest with me in trying to get me into a nice car. thanks again ccr | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2525 Registered: 5-2001 |
Russell, I don't have a 360 Spider. The car I am talking about is a 550 Maranello. Just what Charles had inquired about. We do not do much with the 360s as the prices are still too high IMO. I see it this way. You get only a shot for a Ferrari customer once. You blow it, that is it! Also I believe that a car sales man should know his/her product. Best if you drive what you sell. What a joke when you go to dealers like Prestige and see them driving a 1985 MB 300SD all beaten up and just a few minutes before the same guy was raving about how well the 360 Spider is driving with the F-1 shifter. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2524 Registered: 5-2001 |
thanks for the flowers. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 347 Registered: 6-2001 |
BTW- If you are a serious buyer at Shelton they will negotiate. Prices still high, but worth it for the service IMHO. As an example, when I picked up my car in March, Bud Root gave me his home and cell numbers in case I had a problem over the weekend. Since then they have always responded to problems (few, and minor) immediately. I don't know other dealers who go out of their way like this (except Martin!!). | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 276 Registered: 1-2002 |
Based on several hours I spent there in January 2001, IMHO, the Toy Store may or may not actually make money. If it does, it is solely due to naive foreign tourists who have LOTS of cash (read: South American) and like to spend it on flashy cars that are hard to find where they live. They do not mind, or know, that they are being ripped off. They then ship them home. If it doesn't, it is because it is not supposed to. Same cash-paying customers. If you know what I mean here. In fact, if you look at their web site and their magazine ads, their inventory hasn't changed in 18 months. If it walks like a duck & talks like a duck,... | ||
| David White (Dwhite)
New member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2002 |
I went there earlier this year just to see if their reputation was all it was said to be(all bad). The sales guy was such a cheeseball- this is the only word to use. I looked at a couple of 246's they were a disgrace, yet the guy kept telling me all the wrong things(example pointed to a Euro model and said it was US). Anyway I would not but a Burago from them, it probably would be resprayed. How do these creaps stay in business? Did also stop in Shelton, they were wonderful, seemed high asking prices, but I was not buying anything so who really knows what the cost would be. I would have felt very comfortable buying from them. | ||
| russell rosenblum (Rosenblumr)
Junior Member Username: Rosenblumr Post Number: 53 Registered: 6-2002 |
Charles: I had good luck buying my 360 sight unseen from the auto gallery in LA. Some small issues but the car was in near perfect condition (small scratch on one wheel--noted in another post, search for "360 and verdict"). In general I do think it is worth it to pay a bit more and buy from an autherized dealer, I feel like you have greater leverage to slam them if they take too much advantage of you. | ||
| russell rosenblum (Rosenblumr)
Junior Member Username: Rosenblumr Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2002 |
Martin, Is your consigned car is a spyder? Where were you 3 months ago ;) | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2519 Registered: 5-2001 |
I just met a guy that bought a MOndioal at the Toy store. He was such a happy owner until he met me. He said he knows they have a bad rap but he knows the owner and so he bought there. He bought a red/black MOndial Conv 3.2L with some 40K miles for $ 45,000. The car had a service booklet, which upon my closer inspection was with a different VIN number than his car. Tools missing, were promissed him later (now one month later still does not have them). The car was rough to say the least. Had no body dings but overall a rough car. Engine looked bad, rear window stuck and some other issues. That is what you get at the TOyStore. They may call it The NEW ToyStore but they play the same old tricks. Shelton is a great dealership but their used cars are seriously overpriced. They still have 355 Spiders in there for $ 170,000. A 360 Spider for $270,000. Solly did not pay that much for his (thank God). You may want to shop around a little. As said before NOT at the Toy Store. BTW $150K for a 1997 car is over what you should pay. Hard to believe but recently 1999s have poped up in that price range. I have a 2001 with 600 Miles and all options included on consignment for $ 195,000. This should be your guide! | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member Username: Ross Post Number: 202 Registered: 3-2002 |
i bought a car from the toystore about 10 years ago. exported the car and immediately had problems, despite the clean bill of health the car was given at the start. they didn't want to know, very unhelpful. basically i cannot say enough bad things about my experience with them. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 343 Registered: 6-2001 |
I bought from Shelton-terrific experience. Not cheap, but u get what u pay for. took my dad to Autotoystore and had similar bad experience. Sales people had no idea what they were talking about, made me feel queasy. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2001 |
shelton did a PPI for me. good people. pleasure to deal with. i thought their pricing on preowned cars was rather high - though i didn't negotiate anything with them - just the listing prices. $150K for a '97 550 with 13K miles is no deal. you can do much better than that. doody. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Junior Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 149 Registered: 10-2001 |
wow the toy store really has a bad reputation... Yet they make so much money | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 496 Registered: 5-2001 |
Toystore= no no Shelton=yes yes Bud Root=yes yes | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 470 Registered: 10-2001 |
When I was in Ft. Lauderdale last year I went to the Toystore. As mentioned lots of cars crammed into a showroom. When I asked about a Dino 308 GT4, they pointed me in the direction of a 308 GTS. When I said "The one made before this" They pointed me to a 246 Dino. So I said "The one after this" To which they said they've never heard of one. But they were willing to sell me "Stallone's" purple Mondial 8! Yeah right! It was obvious the salesman didn't know the first thing about the cars he was sellling. However they did allow me to walk through the showroom and sit in any car I wanted. Still, I got a bad feeling about the place. | ||
| Charles rich (Ccr2002)
New member Username: Ccr2002 Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2002 |
Thank you all...no more needs to be said. I can't believe an owner would let their reputation become so horrible. I"ll stick to local cars here in SLC or from dealers elsewhere. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 148 Registered: 12-2001 |
I have heard that they have a bad reputation for selling rebuilds as having "no history". Check with the local BBB to see if they have had any DTPA claims filed against them for misreprentation. But, since everyone seems to have the same impression of them, I would pass. There are plenty of other places to look. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1651 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have visited the Toy Store several years ago and they had a big selection of exotics crammed inside a big show room area. I was a bit put off when I was approach by a Sales person and was asked if I had an appointment to see the cars. I said no, I'll go somewhere else and buy a car, and his attitude suddenly changed and then "Allowed" me to enter the show room and look at some cars. I didn't buy anything but sure was put off by their attitude. That's my experience with them. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 275 Registered: 1-2002 |
Toystore=AVOID AT ALL COSTS Shelton=GREAT DEALERSHIP & probably one of the best service facilities in the US. | ||
| Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member Username: Man90tr Post Number: 606 Registered: 4-2001 |
I have excellent experiences with Shelton. Call and ask to speak to Bud Root. Very nice guy and goes out of his way to help. I know several people on this board that have bought from them and they all seem happy and their cars are nice. | ||
| Robert (Ferraribob)
New member Username: Ferraribob Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2002 |
I do not know first hand (only rumors), but I have heard The Toystore does not have the best reputation. Again, only from rumors. I live very near Ft. Lauderdale and may be able to 'eyeball' the car for you if you're very serious. I don't know if Shelton would take kindly to 'examining' a car at a competitor dealership. However, I have seen newer 550's with much less mileage offered for sale for around the same price. IMHO, I would exercise patience and keep looking. | ||
| Sergio Lenchig (Serlen)
New member Username: Serlen Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2001 |
Forget the Toystore,go with Shelton Ferrari,they are an appointed Ferrari dealer.In can guarantee you there is no better an honest dealer in the southeast part of the U.S.A.They been servicing my F360 2001 since I bought it and beleive me when I tell you they really know how to achieve "Customer Satisfaction".Of course this is my personal opinion but I have no complains for them.I was there a week ago for the 5000 miles service and saw a couple of 550's in their showroom.I am pretty sure that these cars had a complete check up and their history is available to you for verification,just in case you decide to go overthere ask for Gerard McShane their Service Advisor and you'll see what I am taking about.Hope this will help you on such important decision. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1344 Registered: 6-2001 |
Stay away from the auto toy store. They take wrecked cars, fix them up, and sell them as being "mint condition, no accident history." | ||
| Charles rich (Ccr2002)
New member Username: Ccr2002 Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2002 |
Does anyone have any info on the auto toystore in Ft lauderdale? I saw a couple of posts on earlier threads regarding selling salvaged cars....Does anyone have a good experience with them? What about Shelton Ferrari in Ft lauderdale.... The toystore has a silver 97 550 13K miles and asking 150K or so...they may come down some...has anyone seen this car? It looks really nice on their website. Maybe shelton could check it out for me. http://www.thenewautotoystore.com/carview.asp?mdl_id=243 any help appreciated ccr |