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Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Junior Member
Username: Todd328gts
Post Number: 51
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 6:56 pm: | |
Martin,
I agree with your other post...I sleep at night too and could care less about what other people think about what you did or didn't spend on a Ferrari
Cheers! |
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member
Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 285
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 6:55 pm: | |
LOL, Martin I will gladly buy you a 328!
When can I pick up the 360????????
Will I have to pay any taxes on it???
LOL, Dave |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member
Username: Mw360
Post Number: 505
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 6:37 pm: | |
Anyone want to trade their 328 for my 360.?Got to get me the best Ferrari ever! |
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
New member
Username: Todd328gts
Post Number: 49
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 9:33 pm: | |
Thanks a million Daniel. I just sent you an email.
I agree with Russ and Daniel on the price issue as well...the top end price is way too low. I would never even consider selling mine, which is an 86, for near 45K. Put it to you this way...the previous owner wants to buy it back from me...knowing he made a mistake (not b/c he got ripped off b/c it is just an unbeleivable car for the $ and $ comes and goes...it's paper)...and will pay 5K more than I just gave him 2 mos ago! BTW, I paid $50K for mine...and don't give a ratt's ass what anyone says...certain things you can't put a price on...like knowing the owner in your town who had the car its' entire life, etc... |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 327
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 7:41 pm: | |
IMHO the 308gtb is the best of the 308 (dino) line. Just look at specs,etc . The cars got gradually worse from 1980 on. The 328 cleaned up some but it is still not a carburated beast. I turn down 328 cars for 35k all the time. I would be a buyer at 30k. I buy most 308 cars at 15k.I suspect 328 cars will be plentiful at 30-35k this winter. JMO |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member
Username: Kdross
Post Number: 104
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 4:55 pm: | |
Algar Ferrari in Philly has a yellow/tan 1989 328 GTS for $82K. They are about $20K over priced. |
Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member
Username: Dbr328gtb
Post Number: 110
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 4:23 pm: | |
I agree. $60K is the top end for a perfect '89. |
Russ Fairbanks (Russf)
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Username: Russf
Post Number: 50
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 1:42 pm: | |
What do you guys think about the $37-45K price guide. Seems way low at the top end. |
Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member
Username: Jimpo1
Post Number: 608
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:55 am: | |
My "Best Looking Car" Ferrari vote would probably have to go to the 355, but my 328 is in the top 3! |
Jack (Gilles27)
Member
Username: Gilles27
Post Number: 520
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 7:43 pm: | |
Sure, I'm partial, but I still think it's the best looking body design they've made. |
BobD (Bobd)
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Username: Bobd
Post Number: 532
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 7:08 pm: | |
BTW, the cover states:
"Why the 328 is the best Ferrari ever built".
All of us (328 owners) have always known this, right???!!!
:-) |
BobD (Bobd)
Member
Username: Bobd
Post Number: 531
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 6:48 pm: | |
....or:
http://www.sportscarmarket.com/mp/0208-fer.php
....and shot of cover:
http://www.sportscarmarket.com/01/0208coverlg.jpg |
Mitch P (Mitchp)
New member
Username: Mitchp
Post Number: 15
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 3:26 pm: | |
Sports Car Market
Magazine
The Complete Insider's
Guide To Collecting
1989 Ferrari 328 GTS
Chassis number: ZFFXA20AXK0081058
errari's line of highly successful V8-engined road cars began when the 308 GT4 of 1973 took over from the preceding 246 Dino V6. The newcomer's wedged-shaped styling, by Bertone, was not universally well received, but the performance of the 3-liter V8 certainly was. A new two-seater car using the same power unit, the 308 GTB, debuted at the Paris Salon in 1975. Built on a shorter wheelbase, the stunningly beautiful GTB marked a welcome return to Pininfarina styling.
The 308 was superseded by the mechanically similar but larger-engined 328 in 1986. By increasing both bore and stroke, the engine's capacity was raised to 3186 cc, which, together with a higher compression ratio, lifted maximum power to 270 horsepower at 7,000 rpm.
Top speed was raised to 160 miles per hour with 0 to 60 mph covered in 5.5 seconds. The elegant simplicity of Pininfarina's original 308 had been updated by the addition of molded bumpers and an unobtrusive roof spoiler. Motor magazine observed: "In our book, this is still the most beautiful of all contemporary exotics-a gorgeous looking car."
Possibly the lowest mileage 328 in the world, and one of the last built, the exceptional "time warp" example shown here has covered a mere 87 miles from new. Finished in Rosso Corsa with beige leather, the car comes with the original certificate of origin. FAF Motorcars, Inc., of Tucker, Georgia, supplied the car new to the current owner and it has never been registered. Both factory tool kits are in place and the unused owners' manuals are in their wallet. The overall appearance is as if the car were delivered just days ago. The 87 miles covered over the past 13 years have only been accumulated through routine start ups, done to avoid any ill effects from prolonged inactivity.
This car sold for $59,455, including buyer's premium, at the Bonhams Geneva sale, held March 11, 2002.
I was sales manager at FAF Motorcars in 1989, a wild time to be in the Ferrari business. Virtually any Ferrari was hot property and the 328 was no exception. There was a waiting list for new cars and people were buying used 328s for more than the list price of a new one. Many Ferrari dealerships were selling new cars at MSRP knowing that buyers were immediately reselling for a profit.
To help combat this rampant speculation, FAF didn't generally sell cars to people we didn't know well, and we tried to avoid selling any cars for export. However, a check of old records revealed that this car had been sold, by regular SCM contributor and FAF co-owner, John Apen, to a Swiss national with a textile business who also had a home in the Carolinas, thus getting around our export concerns.
We never saw the buyer again so he probably returned to Switzerland with the car, and left it in storage for years.
In my opinion the 328 is the best built, most reliable Ferrari ever. Period. It is the product of a dozen years of 308 experience. It was solidly constructed, with a steel body welded to an oval tube frame. It featured simple Bosch fuel injection, a go/no-go electronic ignition system and an engine you serviced without removing from the car.
Most important, it was the last Ferrari that could be repaired by a good import shop. The following generation of V8 Ferraris evolved into temples to high-tech gadgetry. When something goes wrong with one of these technological marvels, you have to truck your car to an authorized Ferrari dealer-they're the only place that has the computer necessary to fix your car.
Cars don't like prolonged storage. Rubber seals become hard, shock absorbers seize, brake calipers start to stick and tires get flat spots. On the other hand, it only takes a minimum amount of attention to keep things from going bad. If this car was started and moved as little as once a year, it may be fine.
Assuming there were no storage-related surprises (and perhaps pigs can fly as well), this car was very well bought. 1989 was the last year for the 328s and they've become the darling of 308/328 collectors. Examples with less than 10,000 miles will sell for over $60,000. 328s with fewer miles can approach $70,000. A Ferrari dealer recently paid $63,000 for a 1,000-mile example and still had to pay shipping and a broker's commission before he could bring it home. And he expects to be able to resell for a profit.
Here, the new owner's biggest problem may be figuring out what to do with his new toy. Does he keep it as the lowest mile example in existence or drive it?
If he chooses the latter course of action, common sense dictates a complete $3,000 service before heading out onto the highway. If he does that, and then demonstrates the car's solid condition by driving it for a few hundred miles, he may actually increase its value. Furthermore, he could probably enjoy his time-warp car to the tune of 9,000 miles (three years at the standard collector car usage rate of 3,000 miles per year), and then sell the car for what he paid for it, or more.-Steve Ahlgrim
(Historic data and photo courtesy of auction company.)
SCM Investment Grade B
Years produced 1986-89
Number produced 6,068
Original list price $84,780
SCM Price Guide $37,000 - $45,000
Chassis # On plate on top of steering column, in driver�s door jamb and on top right frame rail next to engine in engine compartment
Engine # On top of block, passenger side
Tune-up/Major service $3000
Distributor cap $387.09 (Two required)
Clubs Ferrari Owner's Club, 8642 Cleta St., Downey, CA 90241;
Ferrari Club of America, PO Box 720597, Atlanta, GA 30358
Web sites www.FerrariOwnersClub.org;
www.ferrariclubofamerica.com
Alternatives Dodge Viper GTS, Ferrari Testarossa, Porsche 996
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Copyright � 2002 Alfa Romeo Exchange, dba Sports Car Market magazine
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Richelson (Richelson)
Member
Username: Richelson
Post Number: 782
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 9:01 am: | |
Does anyone have a copy of the article? I would enjoy reading it. I agree with Bob the carbs sound good but there is always something going on with these older cars. Are they discussing the later 328s or all in general? Can some of the injected cars owners shed some light on this question for me. What makes the 328 more reliable then the 308 QV? I know on the later 328s ABS came into play but what about the new elect. and console switches used? The engine besides being a 3.2L is very similar, Bosch FI, MM ign., etc. Any info would be appreciated. |
Jack (Gilles27)
Member
Username: Gilles27
Post Number: 514
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 2:56 am: | |
Daniel, if you're making copies, could I get one too?
Hey John--Now that your 348 is up and running, maybe you can get your rear down here and help me pacify the neighbors. You know, let them know it's OK to have a grumbly V8 in the 'hood. I think I'm catching heat for my neighbors Harley! ;) |
Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member
Username: Dbr328gtb
Post Number: 109
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:00 am: | |
Todd, congrats on your 328!
Sports car market # is 503-261-0555 ext 208. This is a mag about collecting in general, but has monthly Ferrari profiles and Ferrari auction results.
Feb 1999 Forza did a buyers guide on the 328.
Ferrari NA has an excellent website and a very detailed piece on every recent (20 years) model.
The Original Ferrari V8 book is a must have.
Ultimate Portfolio "Ferrari 328 348 Mondial" has all the magazine articles contemporary to the cars- a must have.
There are several other good books too.
If you e mail me your address I'll be happy to send you a copy of the SCM piece as well as the Forza 328 article.
Dan |
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
New member
Username: Todd328gts
Post Number: 46
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 9:56 pm: | |
Daniel, What is SCM? I would love to read the article...in fact, I called Forza this week to see if they had any back issues relative to the 328...and they did not. I also subscribed to Ferrari Market Letter yesterday. Being only 2 months new to my 328, I am continuously looking to further educate myself and would find ANY publication/review, etc on the 328 interesting. Are there any other mags/letters that you know of that are good reading on the 328?
By the way, I am still floored on how solid the car really is...I am one happy camper! |
C. Smith (Italianauto)
Junior Member
Username: Italianauto
Post Number: 110
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 9:55 pm: | |
Keith Martin has always been fond of the 308/328 cars....They are beautiful, and the last of the breed to be easily serviced.....I own a couple 308's, but agree that the 328 is the best of the bunch. |
Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member
Username: Bob308gts
Post Number: 277
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 9:45 pm: | |
But a 308 with carbs sounds SO damn sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and a pain to keep running well |
John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Member
Username: Jjstecher
Post Number: 256
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 9:30 pm: | |
328's suck....or so Jacks neighbors told me :P I had never actually seen one til the get together we had in my other post but man I have to agree they are damn near perfect. |
Jack (Gilles27)
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Username: Gilles27
Post Number: 510
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 9:15 pm: | |
Sounds good to me! Let's keep the 328 bandwagon rolling! |
Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member
Username: Dbr328gtb
Post Number: 108
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 9:13 pm: | |
For those of you who get SCM (my favorite mag) ckeck out the 328 profile. Writer states: "The 328 is the best built, most reliable Ferrari ever. Period." The cover states, "Why the 328 is the best Ferrari ever built".
Part of the argument was that Ferrari had so many years to perfect the 328 by way of the 308 and it was the last of the cars that could be easily worked on.
What do you think? |
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