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| BretM (Bretm)
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Yeah I have my spots that I make sure I open it up in. The street in front of school for instance and this one entrance ramp that has a wall next to it, oh the sound. I'm always so worried about my car being loud. Whenever I come home late I feel bad for my next door neighbor who has to hear that thing idling as I pull it in the garage. I've got the opposite of you Dina, when When I go past one of my neighbors down the street who is in the family I put my car in like 4th and idle past his house so that my car is slow and quiet because he's got two little kids and doesn't take well to loud race cars. I think he likes the 308 a lot, everytime I go by he waves. Like you Dina, I too am a big fan of the second gear acceleration. | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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Tell that to my neighbours around the corner from my house. Every time I drive past, I double clutch her down to 2nd gear and floor the accelerator. On a good night I can set off 2 car alarms ! Hmm.... sound like something Bret would do, Ha Ha. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Dina, Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. If they sound good and you like them, that's all that matters. | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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Hi Guys, well after looking at Herberts pics, I now realize I have a "no cat" euro style 2 into 4 exhaust by Ansa, similar to the QV models. That's probably why I don't have the rear cover, etc. Sorry for leading you in the wrong direction Magoo, but that's the way my exhaust resonator tips are done and they look/soung great. Yet to see how I pass CA smog later this year. Regards from Dina | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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HERB, I forgot to tell you I did find a source for the slanted tip and will cut to fit. I like the idea of the pop rivet also and will use it. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Thanks Herb,Im one of those stupid purist. I'm going to go for the angled ones. You did a beautiful job. Also looking under the hood of your 308 on TECH. Q&A under 348 plug wires I can see a perfectionist had a hand in that also. Looks great. | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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I used a hack saw and a bench grinder. The ends are as they came. You could cut them at any angle, in fact there is enough pipe that if you cut them the length of the factory tips you could get by with two of the pipes. I started to cut them like the factory pipes but after getting several opinions from onlookers this design won out. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Herb, Thanks a mill. for showing the pics. A very neat job including I believe you used a tubing cutter to cut the pipes. The pop rivet was a great idea for future removal. I am looking for a slanted cut on the ext. But the whole idea and installation is great. Thanks again. | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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Cartman said it, so now it is acceptable. | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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Oh shit, I put the slash the wrong way.     | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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I am sorry That I did not get back last night as I said I would but my cousin asked us out for dinner and that doesn't happen very often. Anyway here are the pics/image{ex1} /image{ex2} /image{ex3} /image{ex4} /image{ex5} The parts are only available locally as they are made locally but I can get all you want for $8.00 each and you just cut to fit the length you want and they are three times thicker than the stuff you can get from the mass merchants. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Hey Herb, I was wondering if you had those pics and part nos. of the exhaust tips. Would appreciate it if you got them together and would like to see them. Thanks Buddy | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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Yes, it does sound great.If you do not want the larger tips, buy twin tip Monza's at $26.95. They are 2-1/2" wide, same as Ferrari and the I.D. is 1-5/8" which will suit the exhaust exit pipes much better. You only have to buy 2, as you have to cut the entry pipe off the tips any way. The 4 tips will then slip straight over the 4 muffler exit pipes. Voila, OEM tips for about $55 plus the welding. So, who's going out to buy some epoxy glue and roof flashing ?? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Wow! That sounds like one heck of a conversion. So you are not using the black muffler cover. It must sound great. Dom is certainly the kind of friend to have. Thanks for all the info. | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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P.S. These tips are Fibreglass packed, perforated inner tube style. 16 guage steel. They totally replace the existing tips. Regards - Dina | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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OK Magoo,PART No. B. Single tip 24NS070T 1-3/4 I.D, 3" tip, 10-1/2 tip length, 16-I/2 overall length. The 6" of 1-3/4 pipe part was cut off to suit. Just ran out to the garage with a ruler to check what the story is. I am actually marking exam papers as I play with FerrariChat! (Keeps me sane) My black metal housing is hanging on the garage wall, so no problem there.(Removed by previous owner.)I have an ANSA 2 into 4 exhaust which had 1-1/2" pipes out the back which tucked up under the bumper. The original tips were 2-1/2 wide. The Monza tips are 3" wide with a 1-3/4 I.D. Dom cut the exit pipes close to the muffler as they were holed out and fitted 1-5/8 exit pipes. They were hand bent with an oxy and ends flared to fit the tips. I removed and replaced the exhaust, so the whole lot took him about 2 hours on the bench. The tips are now a little closer together, tuck up sitting level with the rear bumper which is a little further out than standard. Total Cost: about $105 for tips shipped. $15 for a length of 1-5/8" pipe. $18 for new flange gaskets as we removed the whole exhaust. A 6 pack to keep us going and a big kiss for my friend Dom. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Thanks Herb. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Dina,I pulled JC WHITNEY up on the web. They're asking for a part number. Do you have that handy? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Dina, Don't you have a 78 308 GTB? If so how did he get the end of those tips to fit over the tail pipes. At 3 inch Dia. I do'nt see how they fit together and how they fit into the black metal housing,cover, that goes over the muffler where the pipes stick through. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Cmon now, do'nt rub it in. You're one of the guys and we expect no less of you. Thanks, Great Tip. | ||
| Adelina Vallese (Dina)
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Guys !! Epoxy glue, roof flashing, plumbing supplies ?? What do we own here, Camaro's? Does it take a smart woman to steer you in the right direction?! JCWhitney,catalog No.649J-04.Page 192. Big Bore Monza Tips which will fit Ferrari. They may not be OEM but fitted correctly (welded) they look great and sound clean and smooth. They are 23.99 each. 3" tip diam. available in 6 I.D. sizes. They also offer discounted shipping till July 31. Dom (Alfa friend) fitted these to my GTB and the car sounds fantastic, especially since he rebuilt the webers.He also welded braces on to the pairs to hold them straight/even just as the original Ansa's were fitted. Aren't our cars worth $100 to look and sound right? | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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I will get you a part number and source tomorrow plus some pictures. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Hey Herb, Where did you find your tips. Maybe one of the auto chains? Were they the correct I.D. to slide over the pipes snuggly? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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What's the name of the epoxy? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Doug, Now that sounds like a hell of a permanent fix to me. The holes should hold the epoxy in place. Good "TIP", Good Thinking. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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My inserts went goodbye as well but at least I was able to determine which side it came from, and that it was in the baffle. I tried a slightly differen't fix. At Pep Boys, I purchased an epoxy that is rated upto 1000 degrees. I spread it in the exhaust baffles with a popsicle stick and let it dry. So far , so good. It fills in the baffles and you wouldn't even know it's there. Warning, make sure you buy hi-temp epoxy. After 30 minutes the stuff rated to 300 degrees will blow right out. Been there...done that. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
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Well, took a long drive last night and the aluminum inserts went "bye-bye" as well. I appreciate the offer Peter, but I'm off to see a muffler shop this afternoon, here in Seattle. British Columbia is just a bit far for such a simple fix...But it is a kind offer. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Dave, if this one one pops out again, come by my place and I'll WELD those things IN. When you were moving the car around yesterday in the park, it didn't sound that bad. | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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I put some in mine and so far they are still there. The chrome tips were starting to rust so I found some beautiful chrome tips that fit over the existing pipes perfectly. I had to cut them off as they were too long and after achieving the desired length I drilled a hole in the lower side and pop rivited them on. They really look great and renew the look of the rear end. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
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Update: Took a long drive from Seattle to Vancouver, B.C. and the inserts blew out. It appears that the heat causes the cheap galvanized sheet steel to actually curl up tighter and blow out the resonator. While stainless steel seems the appropriate material, I'm lazy and don't wish to track it down. My local hardware store has aluminum sheets, so I'm try this next. The alumnium seems "springyier" so this may be more permanent. I heard from a friend that the inserts that Ferrari of Los Gatos used to sell were made from stainless steel sheet, and were retained by the springiness of the metal itself... | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Thanks Dave, I just thought by covering the perforated pipe it may divert some of the pressure[sound] away from the packing and create more of a straight pipe effect. MAGOO | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
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The sound remains the same, minus the annoying whistle, of course! | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Great tip Dave. Do you think it changed the sound any? Just curious. MAGOO | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
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Mine stayed in my pushing it in just beyond the little spot welds on the end of the perforated portion. The welds act as a little lip and keep it from blowing out. Also, be sure that the metal is unwinding enough that it is a tight fit. Mine has only been driven a few miles so far. But looks like it should stay. If not, I'll have it tack welded in place by a muffler shop. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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Can't believe there is a 24 cent fix on a Ferrari. Got a piece of 5x7 flashing from Home Depot and cut it in half. The fix worked until the pressure pushed out the piece. JUst have to figure a way to make it stick in there better. David, how did you keep yours in there? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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David ,Did you notice any difference in sound? I guess though if you didn't do all of them you probably didn't notice. I talked to Doug on E mail about his problem and he was told at a muffler shop that a baffle inside the muffler was loose etc.. But this may have been his problem. MAGOO | ||
| david handa (Dhanda)
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Doug, here is the quick fix for your whistling exhaust. Get some thin sheet metal. Cut it to roughly 8 inches long and 2 to 2.5 inches wide. Wrap the short end around a broom handle and get it tightly wound, about 1.25 inches in diameter. Shove this into the resonator, flush with the perforated portion of the exhaust tip. This will be about 2 inches deeper than the end of the chrome tip. It will unwind inside the tip and should fit tightly; you'll also notice that the end of the perforated portion of the tip has welds at the end which will also help to retain the metal insert. Start the car and it should be fixed! I just did this this afternoon, learned of the fix on the ferrarilist.com email list last year. My bad resonator was second from the left. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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After you get the tips off and if that ring can be pryed out or some how removed, you may be able to get some of the packing or guts from a muffler shop and press the ring back in the pipe. This is of course,"Taking a shot in the dark", but it's worth a try before buying a new muffler. MAGOO | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Yeah Doug, The new tips were welded on. The original type tip can be purchased at G.T.Car Parts. The original type tip slides on the tail pipe which contains the baffles. The tip does not have baffles. MAGOO | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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What did you do after removal? Did you weld on some new tips? Do the new tips have baffles, and how do they sound? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Hey Buddy, I knew you were refering to the baffles. I looked at mine at the time when I removed the tips. I couldn't tell if they were pressed in or what. There was a face plate that may have been driven or pressed in. If you remove the plate the guts may be able to be removed. I didn't have any reason to remove mine so therefore I can't tell you, but before you can get to any of that I think you will have to remove the tips by using the method I suggested. If that is the noise, you might want to try it. Any suggestions guys? MAGOO | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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I guess what I am referring to are the baffles in each tailpipe. Can they be removed without screwing thins up. Anyone know how they affect the exhaust note when removed? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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HEY Doug, I cut off the extensions by removing the muffler and carefully cutting the weld spots with a Dremel tool and a cutting disc. My ext. were pitted and that's why I took them off. However when they came off the internal "resonator" stayed inside the muffler pipe. So removing the ext. doesn't remove the "resonator." I'm hoping some one else has the answer to removing them. If not,MAYBE A NEW MUFFLER, GOD FORBID. I haven't been much help but maybe some one else has a idea. MAGOO | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
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I have a whistle that comes from one side of my exhaust. The archives stated that it is probably the resonators in my exhaust tips. Anyone ever remove the resonators or cut off the tips and weld on new extensions? How do these affect the car sound? Car runs great but the whistle gets annoying and spoils the exhaust note at a certain rpm. |