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'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1966
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 2:48 pm: | |
Bill, I have no idea what number/issue that bulletin would be... |
Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member
Username: Dapper
Post Number: 174
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 9:25 am: | |
Emily, just for info, my 348 has just 3K miles and when cold it is near impossible to get into 2nd without risking damage, so it really is a design issue rather than wear related...in terms of 2nd gear, can't say same for 3rd.
I've yet to try the Mobil syth mod so reserve judgement, my guess is it makes it slightly better, but I can't imagine much. |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member
Username: Bill308
Post Number: 317
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 5:04 pm: | |
Perer, Is there a service bulletin associated with bleed hole modification? |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1962
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 12:52 pm: | |
The fix suggested by Paul, was usually done on early 308's. It involved drilling a small hole into the bore where the shifter-shaft slides into (the one that carries the 2nd gear shift fork). The hole was a bleed for oil to escape, since the bore was blind and if oil got into it it wouldn't get out, preventing the shift.
I would've imagined Ferrari would've solved this by the time the 328 rolled out... |
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member
Username: Lawrence
Post Number: 179
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:04 am: | |
Ah, you have a spider. So that is why you are spiderwoman. I was wondering if you have eight legs....
Nice to have you on the list. |
Emily Newman (Spiderwoman)
New member
Username: Spiderwoman
Post Number: 2
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:10 am: | |
Thanks everyone for your info. It just looks soooo tempting to try to take it apart in the car. It looks like there is enough room to pull out the shaft, but then again maybe not.
Paul - are we related? LOL!
I like to fix what I have. I know what is right and what is wrong. A good used one probably wouldn't be bad, but I like to know everything about replacement parts. Happened to me in my spider. I was picky and had to rebuild it -it did need a rebuild. Bought a used tranny. The gent that said the transmission works great - in other words, first works, second worked for about a week - third and forth don't even attempt. Fifth was ok. Since it was my daily driver, I had to take the poor thing up to basically redlining it, shift into fifth and hope for the best. Thus the reason I like to fix what I have.
The way it looks, we are going to do it ourselves. We definately won't be replacing everything. Just the syncros that need it.
Once it is all back together, take it to our mechanic and let him give it a look over. What a winter project! Again thank you for your help!
Emily |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 338
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 6:37 pm: | |
I would simply repair the gearbox you currently own. If you buy a used one, you'll want to give it a once over before chancing an install to find it needs a syncro. Yank yours and replace what it needs. I wouldnt replace every syncro nor every bearing. Take it to a private shop rather than the dealer to reduce the bill. |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Irfgt
Post Number: 1812
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 4:03 pm: | |
Even a perfect condition Ferrari transmission is way down the list of great transmissions. I have the good fortune to be able to drive thousands of different automobiles with manual transmissions and the Ferrari and Alfa Romeo and Lambo are at the bottom of my personal list of well shifting cars. Must be an Italian thing. |
David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 233
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:44 am: | |
Just a thought, You might call T. Rutlands...
They have a good stockpile of things like Trannys in good shape.
I don't know, but it might be just as cost effective to replace yours, than pay the labor to rebuild one. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 334
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:17 am: | |
You cant get the gearbox internals out with the engine/trans in the car. That is the only way. Its not cheap or easy to do. Ive heard of a modification to second gear to reduce this common cranky shifting problem but sounds like you need a syncro for third anyway. I dont have anymore info about the mod but others here do Im sure. Maybe Bruno had the info. |
Emily Newman (Spiderwoman)
New member
Username: Spiderwoman
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 9:02 am: | |
Good day all,
I just found your site and it is great! I tried a search for info on the subject changing syncro's for a 328, but I truthfully started to get cross-eyed reading, so sorry if this is a well beaten subject - although I think it wouldn't be.
My husband has had two Ferrari's now. The first was a 308 QV, which he sold. Got Ferrari depressed and bought the 328. He got it site unseen shipped in from Florida (we are here in PA)
He had a good friend of his take a look and after a couple months of talking to the deal ect ect it arrived. He has it for a few months now and had some things done to it.
He is well aware of the dreaded second gear and allowing it to warm up, but he is a freak when it comes to things being just right. He drives the car the way it is meant to be driven. The bigger rims and tires now make him a true maniac - 308 vs driving the 328.
Second gear does not want to shift smoothly once you get into the higher rmps and are giving it a good run. Ok so shifting quickly racing around. Third is getting a little flakey too. The clutch cable has been adjusted by our Ferrari mechanic and by us. We are mechanically inclined, but my husband gets a little leery because it isn't a cheap fix if something breaks.
Changed tranny fluid to the Moble 1 synthetic. It made it much better, but I think he still wants to do a syncro change sometime in the future. The car was a daily driver for the previous owner, so it is clocking in at about 50,000 miles if I can remember correctly.
Does anyone have any advice in this matter? Our Ferrari mechanic hasn't gotten the total estimate for us yet, but I am assuming upwards 5-6 grand with everything that has to be taken apart.
He said because everything is basically together, engine and tranny has to come out. That is the majority of the cost. Assemble/disassemble. Is there a way to do the gears without taking the whole thing out? We can do all the work here at home, we just don't have the time at the moment.
Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Thank you!
Emily
"If it hasn't hit yellow, it isn't time to shift yet."
http://www.belledesignhouse.com/em/cars.html |