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Robert Johnson (Carb308)
New member
Username: Carb308
Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 7:47 pm: | |
Ferraris don't leak, they mark their territory. I fix the major ones and wipe off the minor seeps when ever I am under the car and enjoy the driving. |
Alberto (Aabreu)
Junior Member
Username: Aabreu
Post Number: 86
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 3:43 pm: | |
Thanks for the clarification, Mitchell. Wish I could help you with your distributor leak. |
Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 358
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 1:11 am: | |
Ric, if you allow me.
An o-ring distie is short for "an O-ring distributor." A good automotive shop will also be able to help you there. Napa is a good one. They can get it if they don't have it. |
Alberto (Aabreu)
Junior Member
Username: Aabreu
Post Number: 82
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 8:35 pm: | |
Thanks for the input, everyone. Clearly this is a common occurence, which is what my mechanic said.
Paul: I agree that to say that leaks are good is a bunch of bull. Other than this shifter leak which recently appeared, my car was completely leak free.
Mitchell: I'll pass on doing it myself. It's not worth the agravation to me to save the money, frankly. If I want to save the money I just won't do it, and live with the puddle (I HATE(!!) oil leaks, but not as much as the agravation of taking on a relatively major repair like this).
Ric: If I have them do it, I will specify the Vito-A ring, but what's a o-ring distie?
Thanks again. |
Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 356
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 7:34 pm: | |
And the other application where O-rings are not meant for is the little bitty oring on the distributor shaft as it goes into the hollow camshaft. With no lips to pinch against and no radial forces to pinch the oring, how is it going to seal oil at 40-50 psi?? No wonder I have been fighting this leak since the engine goes back together. Both distributors now leak. |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Irfgt
Post Number: 1878
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 4:11 pm: | |
The design of the shifter shaft is a leak waiting to happen. Some seepage on a new seal is almost inevitable. The shaft slides on the "O" ring and is not what an "O" ring is designed to do in the first place, plus the fact that the shaft comes out the bottom of the transmission and engine where all the oil pressure from the weight of the oil is. A Corvair uses a similar shifting design but they use a lip type seal and they leak some also. The loss is negligable however. |
Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member
Username: Ricrain
Post Number: 211
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 3:40 pm: | |
I use Viton-A O-rings instead of Buna for this application and they last longer. Ferrari tends to supply Buna. Any good O-ring distie can help out here. |
Matthew Lemus (Mlemus)
Junior Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 8:45 am: | |
That's what the Ferrari Dealer in Woodland Hills charged. I was not going to argue the issue of paying $16 for the part. I said "ok" and ran to the cashier before they changed their mind. I was a little dismayed by the $125 per hour labor charge however. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 434
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 12:41 am: | |
I think that article is a waste of paper. Telling you an oil leak is a good thing is just plain stupid. If you dont have leaks and you check it like any other car why is that bad.It is possible to have a dry engine in any ferrari. Mine doesnt leak. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 154
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 12:19 am: | |
Excuse me. Lately, I've found oil leak and Ferrari in the same sentence funny. Just spent over $2000 to fix oil leaks and I *still* have a puddle on the driveway. THE DAMN THINGS LEAK. A mechanic told me that if they don't leak, they are out of oil! Last months Forza had an article about this. The author's criteria to fix a leak: If he slipped and fell in his driveway, it's time to fix the leak! 'Nuf said. <g> |
Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 354
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 9:59 pm: | |
Matthew,
How did you get away with $16 for parts? Did they even re-use the oil and the gasket? |
Matthew Lemus (Mlemus)
Junior Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 9:55 pm: | |
I just had the fixed last week. The part was $16 and the labor was $250.00. It took them a couple of hours. |
Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 353
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 9:54 pm: | |
Alberto
Just about any 308/328 has this problem. Like Paul says, it is just 2 simple orings and they are not the best solution.
$500 sounds like a ... decent amount considering you need to pay for 8 quarts of oil, 5 quarts of synthetic gear oil, 2 pan gaskets, 2 o-rings (viton please), say $100 for parts. That leaves 4 hours of labor, sounds about right.
Care to do it yourself????? |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 433
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 9:35 pm: | |
There is no permanant fix for this. If the external seal is leaking, chances are the one that keeps the gear oil and engine oil from mixing is leaking too. Its a pain job to do in the car but if it leaks it leaks. I dont know about every two years but I guess its possible. Its just an o-ring and they harden like plastic. |
Alberto (Aabreu)
Junior Member
Username: Aabreu
Post Number: 81
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 9:04 pm: | |
Oil leaks drive me absolutely nuts and I had none for the first six months of ownership. Unfortunately, my 328 has now developed an oil leak. It turns out that the leak is coming from a seal where the shifter linkage enters the oil pan on its way to the transmission. I was told its about a $500 fix (have to remove oil pans, dip stick tube, etc., etc. to get at it, put it all together again afterwards), plus its guaranteed to happen again in about 2 years.
Anyone else have this problem? Has anyone solved it permanently?
Thanks. |