| Author | Message | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 496 Registered: 12-2001 |
Where do you get your filters Tom and whats the part number? So far, no delay in pressure with the UFI. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
New member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hi Paul I assume you were talking about the dealer on steels ave and hwy 7?..Those guys are nuts. $55 for tire valve caps with the little horsie on them? Heck you can buy those at Car Buffs in square one for $15 dollars..Next time for an oil filter try a bosh filter They seem to work great oh ya $25. | ||
| KARL DASTOLI (Luch)
Junior Member Username: Luch Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2001 |
Well Paul, it obviously was a good lunch since it's normal now. That's good to hear. LUCH | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 459 Registered: 12-2001 |
I agree with you Karl, a delay is ok, mine wasnt a delay, I could have lunch in the time it took to get pressure. Now its normal. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
New member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2002 |
I beleive Karl hear and also I have experienced what Edward said in his posts. I have many Ferrari miles and no problem. I even tore down one of my 308 motors after running much nitrous. The result was no wear. And Paul you are right your beer is better. | ||
| KARL DASTOLI (Luch)
Junior Member Username: Luch Post Number: 64 Registered: 2-2001 |
Just a note back to basics. As I've always understood oil pressure is a function of RPM and bearing clearance. Because it's a hydrodynamic system(i.e. it runs on a film of oil under pressure),the smaller the clearance the higher the pressure. The key point being "clearance" meaning that when the engine is not running the oil will run out of the bearings. Therefore when you start any car there will be a period of time where you will have little or no pressure -not harmful because there is still oil there- and will vary from car to car depending on clearance an oil pump efficiency. When you start your car it will only take a second to fill the filter, the rest of the time is building up pressure in the system due to the oil running out of the bearings. Normal as far as I know. JMO, LUCH | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 456 Registered: 12-2001 |
Well, after a 15 hr sit, the oil pressure is almost instant with the UFI filter. The fram went empty much sooner than that. Its a hundred bucks well spent as far as Im concerned. Will I buy another from the dealer? not likely. But I know I dont want a fram on it anymore. Thanks Magoo for the leads. Ill look into them and probably buy a half dozen for stock | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3126 Registered: 2-2001 |
Also in that same search Italian Auto Parts has a section on UFI filters. As usual their prices ain't cheap either. I believe that was under "Filters for Italian cars" in the search. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3125 Registered: 2-2001 |
Go on the internet and type in "ufi filters." The search comes up with "oil filters exposed" on Fram, UFI,Purolater, Delco etc. They don't give Fram much credit. You will have to hunt and pick the search but there is some interesting reading. | ||
| Erik R. Jonsson (Gamester)
New member Username: Gamester Post Number: 47 Registered: 3-2002 |
My suggestion to get back at that gouging dealer, order a ufi from GT Car parts, a hundered dollars ought to get you 8 or so, and return a new UFI to the dealer stating you made a mistake- you kept your reciept right? | ||
| DAVE SHEARS (Daveshears)
New member Username: Daveshears Post Number: 38 Registered: 3-2001 |
I live in the San Francisco bay area and I have got this bridge that I would like to sell you...Just kidding couldn't resist. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3122 Registered: 2-2001 |
Paul, After you are through with that UFI filter don't throw it away. Gold plate it, make a lamp out of it, something, but DO NOT throw it away. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 454 Registered: 12-2001 |
It may never come to haunt me but I hear the cars at the fast lube at the dealer start and I get chills from the sounds they make prior to oil pressure. I would prefer the delay to be as short as possible because of the cost of such an engine and the work involved. Now my old 5.0 lincoln I dont really care about. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1904 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have tried every brand of filter available for a Ferrari and NONE of them will hold oil overnight. It takes about 5 or so seconds for the gauge to move and light to go out. It is not hurting anything so I quit worrying about it. I had a customer to drive an Oldsmobile over 20 miles with no oil pressure once and did no damage to her car so a couple of seconds will make no difference. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 452 Registered: 12-2001 |
Mike, I was waiting at least 5 seconds maybe 7 before the oil pressure came up. Ill see how it is tomorrow when I start it. The filter shouldnt be empty and I wouldnt accept it as ok. Cranking it a number of times will help this but you shouldnt have to do that. If my UFI leaks down over night, Ill get another for free until it doesnt. Thanks Magoo, Ill follow up on those leads as well. Peter, I guess at $575 a cap I should pick up a few sets because of such a great deal. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3121 Registered: 2-2001 |
Paul, For Baldwin oil filter distributors call Jean Seitz @ 1800-882-5394 X 39462. Or email @ [email protected] For U.S. Distributors for Baldwin go on the internet to www.baldwinfilters.com click under Distributors and type in your zip code. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 718 Registered: 7-2001 |
I bought my Baldwins from a truck supply store here in Dallas. $8.50 each. There was a post a while back with the Baldwin website, I simply contacted them and asked for a local dealer. | ||
| Robert Johnson (Carb308)
New member Username: Carb308 Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2001 |
Just a note. I just changed my oil. '79 308. I replaced the UFI with another one. Pulled the plug and let it sit overnight to drain. I also packed the area with rags today when I changed the filter. When I removed the filter it was dry. I have used Fram and UFI in the past and both were full of oil when I changed them. From my experience, I am not going to worry about it because aparently some of the valves leak and some don't. I crank the car over two or three times for about 10 seconds each before I choke it or pump the gas to even try to start it. This helps to prime the oil system before it first fires off. Beyond that, just the normal easy driving until the oil temp comes up. BTW, purchased the filter from GT Car Parts along with something small that I ordered months ago, so I don't remember exactly how much it was. I think about $28.00 US. Good luck. | ||
| Roderick Keeler (Dr_carguy)
New member Username: Dr_carguy Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kelly- Who is your source for the Baldwin filter? Less than $10 is better than I can find around here. Thanks. -Rod | ||
| Mike 308 (Concorde)
New member Username: Concorde Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2002 |
How long of a delay is a delay? One second? Ten seconds? At what point is it a problem? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2002 Registered: 12-2000 |
Paul, I got you beat. A $1000/cap at Brian Jessel...  Like I've said before, they always have a B253 on the shelf (it usually always ends up being mine...  ). Although if anything has to be special ordered, it takes a LONG time. But it still can be done. I could've (and maybe should've) ordered the 308 CARB AIR FILTER too while I was there last... | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2001 |
Thanks Billy, Im surprised you guys dont want our beer too. Much better than that budwater you like. I may take you up on that. And I will check that site Steve. Peter might be able to help me but you(Magoo) live closer to me than he does. I just changed my oil. I packed rags around my filter housing in anticipation of a major oil spill and found nothing came out. The filter was empty and not even a drop came out. I drove the car 12hrs ago and its empty already. The valve isnt holding the oil in and Im getting a dry start everytime it sits overnight. Someone else commented on this problem elsewhere on the site by saying it doesnt hurt anything because of no load. I disagree and dont like having the delay in pressure. If anyone is having this delay on startup and you have an inverted fram, toss it. You're are better off paying $100 for an oil filter. Thanks again for the info guys. Paul. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
New member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2002 |
Paul, I'm in California. I can send you anything you want. Its like a x-mas package at your low volume need. You can return the favor by sending us Stabilant-22 from Canada we pay in blood for that magic goo here. You can also order from anywhere in the world with FEDEX and a creditcard. I'm 99% sure you can order from Rutlands and get some of the best prices in the states. If he will not ship to you then ship to one of us and we can easily redirect to you. Last time I sold my old 308 wheels the Canadian buyer said there was a duty fee. So I shipped to a mailbox etc. just this side of the border and he drove accross to pick the package up and drove back to Canada. Just some thoughts | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1035 Registered: 1-2001 |
Paul -- 2 things (and the first is for everybody): 1. Please put a "location" in your FChat profile -- at least down to the continent level! Country would be better. 2. Have you tried contacting Acklands-Grainger as Peter R. suggested (if you are in Canada as "cdn" implies)? Although the B253 is not on their website, they do seem to cover all Canada: http://www.acklandsgrainger.com/acklands?S_appName=agi&I_actionId=17&L_sessionCode=s230rct8og3l&I_sessionId=3214 "for that price" -- you could probably get a 1/2 case of the Baldwin shipped to you and have a lifetime supply...or could A-G not help you? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3119 Registered: 2-2001 |
Paul, Peter 308 GT4 lives in Canada also. Why don't you email him to find his source of filters and parts. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 449 Registered: 12-2001 |
No, Im not joking. I did buy one from there. The problem is where I live, I dont have access to pep boys and all these other chains that you Americans have. We dont have parts stores that carry filters that fit ferraris. I heard the ford comment one day regarding filters and would like to know which one fits. I tried to get a fram a while back and I was told I would have to leave a deposit and it would come out of the states. It would take a week. I dont plan on buying a filter from the dealer everytime I change my oil but I thought I would try one. I am running fram and as far as Im concerned, the filter must be draining overnight. I dont get the delay unless it sits for 8 hrs or so. The sending unit is not the problem. I will cut the fram open today after I change the oil. I can hear a distinct engine sound change when the oil pressure suddenly comes on. Obviously there is a large air lock in the oiling system. The standpipe will to squat if the rubber valve is crap. I suspect the valve isnt sealing. I will try to find another source for the filter but if I have to order it state side and wait, whats the point? I did price caps one day too, $575 each. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3117 Registered: 2-2001 |
Paul, Of all people, I can't believe you did that. This is a joke isn't it???? | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
New member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2002 |
The prob is not likely to be a delay in oil pressure is it is more likely to be a bad oil sender. All the generic oil filters like the baldwin 253, UFI, and fram 2804-1 have the standpipe checkvalve. You can cut them apart they are all equally bad. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1997 Registered: 12-2000 |
Eric, your indie mechanic can use Baldwins, as he has no "official" ties to parts suppliers. I'm sure the dealer mechanics would use Baldwins too, if they had the chance. Paul, you think you got screwed on a price for a filter, you don't want to know how much a distributor cap costs out here... (four figures buddy and I ain't exaggerating ). | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 403 Registered: 11-2001 |
I was delighted to find out that my independent Ferrari mechanic only uses Baldwin filters. The red filter housing looks great in the engine bay too. | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 374 Registered: 2-2002 |
I think your butt is really gona hurt tommorrow, especially when there is no difference. My Baldwin costs less than $10.00 Sorry | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
New member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 39 Registered: 8-2002 |
That's too much. UFI's from Ferrari dealers here in the U.S. are about $28. You can get a Baldwin B253 (has similar standpipe and checkvalve) for even less. I presume you had a Fram before? In any case, you've been taken advantage of... | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 447 Registered: 12-2001 |
I bought a UFI filter from the dealer yesterday for my 308. I hope it solves my delay in oil pressure on startup after it sits overnight. I paid $89.00cdn + tax which is around $100 total for an oil filter. For that price, they should have included the vaseline! |