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Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member
Username: Kurtk328
Post Number: 135
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 1:09 am: | |
Thanks, Scott.
-kurt |
Scott Grossman (Sngsmgaolcom)
Junior Member
Username: Sngsmgaolcom
Post Number: 82
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 3:24 pm: | |
Kurt,
From the Stabilant website:
MOTOROLA
Stabilant 22A in the 15 mL bottle size is listed under Motorola Part Number 11-80369E78
Its listed in the Motorola Test Equipment and Shop Supplies Catalogue on page 86.
It can be purchased from Motorola by calling their order desk at:
1-800-422-4210
Please be sure that you give their order desk all this information
Link to Motorola's web-site Motorola
HTH
Scott |
Mark (Markg)
Junior Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 248
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 9:45 am: | |
posthorn.com in New York - $28.00 for 15ml I beleive, got it yesterday - do s keyword search on Stabilant 22 in any search engine to read comments, articles etc. on this product! Seems several auto shops/dealers are onto it.... |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1047
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 8:49 am: | |
Bill V. -- It's not a protective grease, but rather a polymer that becomes conductive in the presence of an E field -- see:
http://www.stabilant.com
(and isn't CRC a spray cleaner?) Sorry to hear that the price jumped so much -- I couldn't find it on NAPA-on-line (and it used to be there for ~$40 IIRC). It's not going to solve/protect against every possible F electrical gremlin, but it's still useful IMO. |
Bill V. (Doc)
Junior Member
Username: Doc
Post Number: 131
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 6:44 am: | |
Is this grease really any better than any other di-electric grease? Have there ever been any comparative studies done? Does anyone know anything about CRC brand? |
Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member
Username: Kurtk328
Post Number: 133
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 1:33 am: | |
Scott, does Motorola have an website? |
Scott Grossman (Sngsmgaolcom)
Junior Member
Username: Sngsmgaolcom
Post Number: 81
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:34 pm: | |
Joe,
Ordered mine from Motorola. 15ml bottle was $38.00 + $3.00 for shipping. Took a week to get to me. Came with 4 q-tips included!
HTH
Scott |
F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Member
Username: Ferrarijoe
Post Number: 260
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 8:19 pm: | |
I just went to the local NAPA store here in WA. State and CE-1 comes in a small tube of 15ml and cost $63.00! Do any of you have a cheaper source?
Joe |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 164
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 12:55 am: | |
I've been bugged ever since I wrote the last responce. There are tons of mis-conceptions about Stabilant 22 (a). Most prominently: 1) It is a *non*conductor, and 2) it has to be used very sparingly - hence the alcohol diluted version.
1. Dilution: Model train guys use this on their tracks - they put *one* drop on a paper towel, spread this over a foot or two of track, and run metal wheeled cars over it. This is good for ONE HUNDRED feet of track! That's how dilute the application should be.
2. Stabilant 22 is a NON-CONDUCTOR, an INSULATOR. That's why you can put it on a circuit card edge connnector. It won't bleed signals from contact to contact.
3. How does it work? (especially as a non-conductor?) - Stabilant 22 is designed to **MICROSCOPICALLY** coat metal surfaces. Imagine two electrical contacts 1mm across. The surfaces of these metal contacts are microscopically rough. The actual electracal contact area is in reality very small - on the atomic level. Stabilant 22 (especially in the *a* - alcohol - formulation) will wick into the contact area. In a *MICROSCOPICALLY* thin cross-section, it will ionize, and set up a conductive surface. The key word here is MICROSCOPICAL. If applied thickly, *IT IS AN INSULATOR*. Period, end of story.
I'd prefer not to use the full strength version, as the alcohol diluted vesion will wick into contact points and deposit itself in a reasonably thick manner. LESS IS BETTER. Remember, it's an *insulator*.
Corrosion: I don't think this is in the official spec, but I have taken apart 10 year old connections that were protected. Copper and brass are subject to tarnishing with age, and lose electrical conductivity. SPARINGLY applied applications of Stabilant 22a show little discoloration on old connectors. Stabilant 22 is kind of "greasy", and I think it protects reactive metals such as copper, brass, etc.
FWIW, Hans.
BTW, I've always heard that it is a good idea to solder all the connections in a 308 fuse box. I don't disagree at all, but as a stop gap measure, Stabilant 22a should wick its way into the connections and perhaps buy sume time. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 162
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 7:32 pm: | |
I've used lots of it. Does miracles for model trains, and all manner of electical do-dads. It turned out to be the fix for the controls for my Coleman A/C system - after several techs replaced relays, circuit boards, etc. After coating relays and card edge connectors, no problems for the last 4 years. |
Mark (Markg)
Junior Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 243
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 9:25 am: | |
I just orderd 2 bottles from a place in New York (posthorn.com) - will give it a try!! |
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member
Username: Lawrence
Post Number: 250
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 5:46 am: | |
There is a Stabilant 22a and a Stabilant 22. The 'a' denotes alcohol solvent. They have different uses but I don't remember which is for what. I use the 22a for low voltage/amperage connections. Seems to work well. Maybe the alcohol causes it to wick into crevices better. |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
New member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 40
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:34 pm: | |
I'm the one who mentioned it in the other post. The stuff in the USA seems to be diluted with ethanol. The better stuff is from DW electrochemical in Canada. It is full strength and IMHO works better than the dilution. The full strength stuff looks like the consistency of "Jizz". Sorry the only think I can think of. |
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member
Username: Lawrence
Post Number: 249
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 12:35 pm: | |
I think it was developed for use in the aviation industry where good electrical contact is essential. From there it migrated to the computer industry. |
Scott Grossman (Sngsmgaolcom)
Junior Member
Username: Sngsmgaolcom
Post Number: 80
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 12:19 pm: | |
Mark,
I also read about stabilant 22 in an earilier post, and ordered a tube from Motorola. Got it last week and did all of the connectors on the fusepanel, as well as the connectors on the ECU, and ICU.
Net result was a slight miss I hadn't been able to fix went away, and some of the small electrical intermittent problems havent happened since (mostly seatbelt gremlins).
Overall I'd recommend it, as it seems to work.
HTH
Scott |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1042
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:52 am: | |
Mark -- in the US you can get it a NAPA auto parts stores as Echlin CE-1:
http://www.stabilant.com/Uap_napa.htm |
E.K. (Eulk328)
New member
Username: Eulk328
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:29 am: | |
forgot to mention that Stabilant 22 should be available at VW dealers (according to the Stabilant Website)
Erich |
E.K. (Eulk328)
New member
Username: Eulk328
Post Number: 5
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:27 am: | |
Definitely NOT a cure for all problems electrical.
DEFINITELY a good idea to use on any electrical connector contacts on an Italian car! Best to use it after "cleaning up" older contacts that are dull or corroded or on the contacts of a new vehicle. You will never know how much it helps because you don't notice problems that never develop. I suspect it could help a lot.
Erich
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Mark (Markg)
Junior Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 241
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:13 am: | |
Saw mention of this in another thread - looked it up on the WEB, looks like a miricale cure for all things electrical....has anyone used it? does it work and where in the US can it be purchased? |