| Author | Message | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 230 Registered: 2-2002 |
Craig: No US-spec 308's were dry-sump. Only Euro and AUS models got the dry sump (I think). Grant: Metal prep brushes (brass and stainless steel) and MANY hours (>150) of work. Some of the castings have been painted with high-temp bright aluminum paint. All hardware has been either replaced or replated. Email me directly and I'll send you my phone number. | ||
| Grant Gilmour (Grantgilmour)
New member Username: Grantgilmour Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ric - how did you get the engine to look like that. My BB engine is out right now and we can't get it anywhere near that clean. Plus, our's is a rough casting and your's is all smooth? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1944 Registered: 2-2001 |
In order to make a non interference engine you would have to make large enough reliefs in the pistons, shorten the cam lift or change the duration, or lower the compression by raising the head or lowering the stroke of the piston. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 448 Registered: 1-2001 |
Maybe this one is a dry sump???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1859250624 Ric, I was under the assumption that all glass 308GTBs were dry sump. Was this an option or an add-on? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2122 Registered: 12-2000 |
This looks like a pretty good car. I would feel bad cutting up this car. I want a neglected car that making it a track car would be an improvement. I will still keep all the orginal parts as possible and try not to make anything irreversable. I think if patient I could find that perfect GTB. Do you think the fiberglass model would be better for weight and ability to fix panels down the road? | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 452 Registered: 3-2001 |
Is it possible to make a 308 engine a non-interference engine? If so what would be the drawbacks? I would think power would be one? How would you accomplish this? (shorter valves, shorter rods) | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 227 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ed, no. It's still an interference design, even with the reliefs. | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 226 Registered: 2-2002 |
I hate to poo-poo anything, but the car at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1858617534 is a wet sump. If you really, really want a good track car. Don't settle for anything short of a dry sump, IMHO. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 447 Registered: 1-2001 |
Rob... Here's a place to start! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1858617534 | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1941 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ric, will the reliefs ground into the 308 pistons make it a "free wheeling" engine should a timing belt break? | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 222 Registered: 2-2002 |
Rob, firstly, the GTB I sold is still around, but it's almost concours at this point. It only lacks a little leather work to be a 95 point car. Not a good candidate for a track car, IMHO. You are definitely right that a dry-sump GTB would be the way to go. The lighter, the better. As for the restoration, well, I've done some of that and I *really* enjoy it, but I also *really* enjoy track time! Two different things. I think that's only a discussion you can make. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2113 Registered: 12-2000 |
Ric, my wife and I have a 800 square foot house next to a mobile home park, but I'm thankful that my new workshop and garage will be done in about 2 months. Yes, my cars will have a better place to live than my wife and I. It will have a lift and most of the fun equipment to get me in plenty of trouble. I have two Ferrari projects I want to do, which one should I start with? Option 1: Restoring a 250 or 330 2+2 Option 2: Turing a cosmetically neglected 308 GTB dry sump into a track and club racer. I will prob build it to Improved Touring rules, which would just be roll cage, racing seats, fire system, 2 way adjustable suspension, and free exhaust. Whatcha think? I'm leaning towards the 308 because of cost, fun, and parts availability. However, my dream is to turn a neglected classic Ferrari into something to be proud of the rest of my life. I wish I could do several projects at once. | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 218 Registered: 2-2002 |
I'm flattered, but you guys have to realize that I'm just a guy with a sick diseased mind. One that can't stand to put a dirty engine back in a car.  My father and mother were both school teachers, so it's in my basic genetic makeup that I want to help. I only wish I had more spare time to help more people enjoy their Ferraris. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 379 Registered: 11-2001 |
My god, you can eat dinner off that engine ! Ric is one of the opiners I respect the most. | ||
| Carmine Nicoletta (Ncarmine)
New member Username: Ncarmine Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2002 |
Rob, I also met Ric on the "List." He helped me out cosiderable (and still does) in my 328 search. I meet him at FoD one Friday afternoon to look at a car I was interested in. He's one of the nicest guys I met. Carmine | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 81 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ric is one of the people who gave me the incentive and unselfish support to do my own work on my car. Without his help I would not have completed the successful projects I have so far. I met him on the Ferrari List and followed him here. Since there is no way I can reasonably repay him, I can only post this picture of his TR engine he rebuilt, to show you one of his projects. All I can say is Enzo would be proud. Rob very humbled  | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
New member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2002 |
its really helpful with good info though! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2092 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did you sell your GTB? I'm thinking about a GTB project for the track. | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 217 Registered: 2-2002 |
But it's so OLD!! I'm embarrased that I haven't updated it in so long.  | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2091 Registered: 12-2000 |
http://www.rainbolt.com/ferrari/ Amazing! I'm surprised I hadn't run across it yet, but I'm glad I finally did. |