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Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 1386
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:57 pm: | |
I had the same problem on my 1994 348 Spider and it turned out to be a lose ground strap on the starter. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 386
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 1:20 am: | |
Well from what I have experienced if you hear the gear spinning but not turn the wheel it's because the gears inside the starter is stripped. I've experienced on my 348 the starter would not even engage and found out the power going to the solenoid was not strong enough, and what I did was ran a new relay getting 12V. from the battery and it worked perfectly after that. I have found some Italian cars use poor connectors therefore leading to bad connections. |
Noelrp (Noelrp)
Junior Member
Username: Noelrp
Post Number: 82
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 11:29 am: | |
okay, i'll see if i can do that. thanks! |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:14 pm: | |
NoelRP,
Electric appliances do not like intermittent energy. Starter burn up when they get pulses and dirty power. Set up your starter to be hard wired directly to the positive battery with a 2 guage wire and bypass all the crappy Ferrari stuff. This will ensure good clean power to the starter. |
Noelrp (Noelrp)
Junior Member
Username: Noelrp
Post Number: 81
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 7:24 pm: | |
My starter failed 3 times in 2 years. The relay keeps burning out. Although the rebuild is inexpensive, i wonder what is causing it to burn out so often.
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Bak-a-lack-a Bak-a-lacka-lacka ! (Chris_n_chicago)
Junior Member
Username: Chris_n_chicago
Post Number: 99
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 5:50 pm: | |
Billybob,
You are great ! |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 11:47 pm: | |
Frank,
Let us know what happens. there are a million possible problems in the 348 electrical system. Always condemn a 348 battery. These cars eat them. Second check your ground strap of the battery to ground. Third the 348's use this stupid bullet style connector on the hot side especially on the rear battery cars. One connector is by the battery and one is under the airbox. Make sure these are good or better yet change them to straight 4 guage wire directly to the starter. Fourth, check the connection on the hot side of the starter to make sure it is good. Fifth, don not buy a new starter they can be rebuilt. I do it all the time. You will be e-mailing me back on that last one after you find out how much a new OEM starter costs. By the way it is best to rebuild with a new armture. It costs more but it way better than what most rebuilders do. It is not likely that FoD tested your starter. I have nver found a shop able to factory test a starter. You need to do a Load test and a spin test as a minimum and one other test I forget the name. If a shop says they can test it ask them to see their load tester. They won't have one. If the guy uses a clamp and a block of wood run! Spinning means nothing! Those tips are right from Denso who makes the 348 starters. |
Frank Bussi- Sottile (Caruso348)
New member
Username: Caruso348
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:22 pm: | |
Thanks Stan; I guess some history is warranted
because of component troubleshooting. 30k service done 3 months ago. Electrical harness reworked due to heat fatigue and age. The car was given a clean bill of health. I'll run this by the service
dept. Battery was "supposedly" checked and OK'ed. Thanks. |
Stanley DiGuiseppi (Standig)
Junior Member
Username: Standig
Post Number: 68
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 8:07 pm: | |
Cars that are not used very much and sit over the winter develop a condition with the battery. The battery will start the car fine when cold but may not start it when hot...how old is the battery? Have you had it load tested? is there water in the battery?
If you hear the solenoid try to engage then there is power going to the starter it probably is not a fuse. But are you getting enough power to turn the starter...
Load test battery. Then load test battery cable at starter.
Does either the positive or negative battery terminal get hot? when you try to start? are the tight?
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Frank Bussi- Sottile (Caruso348)
New member
Username: Caruso348
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 7:41 pm: | |
Yes there is the sound of the solenoid spinning,
but since the engine doesn't turn, I would assume it's not engaging. Deja vu with the muscle cars
we had in the 70's, starters, at times when hot,
just failed to turn over. After a cool down period,they worked aagain. At first I was tempted to swap out the starter, but Ferrari of Denver, said that the starter checked out AOK. Hence the situation as it stands. I'll have to research whether or not the relay was addressed. Thanks so much. I'm still open for suggestions. |
Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member
Username: Man90tr
Post Number: 682
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 2:18 pm: | |
Anyone check the relay and fuses? And I don't mean just looking at them, I mean really check them. It could be an overheating relay or fuse. Fine when cold, but when used it gets hot, arcs and becomes inoperative. I would swap out the starter relay and fuse next, before getting any deeper into the car looking for a loose wire. |
Stanley DiGuiseppi (Standig)
Junior Member
Username: Standig
Post Number: 67
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 1:33 pm: | |
Nothing happens...no noise at all?
Do you have headlights? and do they go out when you try to start?
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Frank Bussi- Sottile (Caruso348)
New member
Username: Caruso348
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 1:15 pm: | |
My 348 will start when cold immediately. However,
after running for awhile, when shutdown, starter
won't turn. Ferrari dealer said it was a grounding
problem. I had them check into the problem. They assured me the starter was fine and that they found and corrected the ground problem. Guess what? Got the 348 back, same reoccuring problem. They said they would stand behind their work. I have a good relationship with the tech so any possible scenarios are appreciated for my discussions with dealership personnel. Thanks; Frank |