| Author | Message | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Junior Member Username: Davem Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks Mark. My reply is on the way. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 133 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hey Dave, I shot you an e-mail but it bounced back. I tried again but if you don't get it, please shot one to me with the correct address. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Junior Member Username: Davem Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2002 |
Mark. I might be interested for my 83 Mondial. I saw your car briefly at the tech day back in May at WWOC, did not have the pleasure of meeting you. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 132 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bruno, I've got a couple pics some place. I'm moving so I have boxes in 2 houses, but I know they're somewhere. I had to make the car 6 inches longer and 12 inches wider. It was a little crude. It helped me realize that often there is a difference between what you can do and what you should do. Bret, you're right rpms are a beautiful thing to here and you can easily make as much power as I�m getting with the blower if you can your parts matched up right, which I�m sure you will. I think I�m going to go for the intercooler on mine, which means new or different everything. Clearly I never actually LEARNED the difference between can and should J Anybody want to buy a blower kit for a 308QV/328? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2085 Registered: 12-2000 |
First picture Bret, you can see the motor. Looks wicked. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2741 Registered: 2-2001 |
I've never seen them as they're all boxed up, but I see the car they went in all the time as it is upstairs in storage. I was talking to one of the managers for a while about them yesterday actually. I'll try to find more about them in the future though. There are some pics of the car if you go to http://www.ccferrari.com , go into the site, click on racing, then click 24 hours of LeMans, then there should be 4 pictures. I think in the second one you can see the engine, it's mounted longitudinally. Very cool stuff. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 63 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nice to know the 308 block can hold that much power. | ||
| Matt Morgan (Kermit)
Junior Member Username: Kermit Post Number: 67 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hey Bret, Any info on those motors? I'd love to know more... Always lookin' for new angles! Kermit | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 646 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mark.In a X19.Wow.Must of been nasty.Shoe horn to get it in.Got any pics? | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2740 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mark does have a sweet car, it sounds like no other 308 to say the least. To me though I'm interested in making it rev higher and wail more, which is the path I'm taking. This time quite a bit of work will be done, but in a couple years I will be looking to make it really rev and scream. I could get more HP cheaper with a turbo or blower, but a street car is all about having fun and to me fun is naturally aspirated. So, HP isn't everything at least to me. Although it would be hard to complain with 600hp. We have 3 308 engines at work that powered a LeMans car they built back in the day (when I was just a little kid), they are all twin turbo setups I think, I've never seem them as they are all boxed up. The two qualifying engines make 1000hp and the race engine makes about 750-800hp. These are 308 blocks just like yours and mine, obviously modified, but still very cool. They're totally unstreetable, but interesting nonetheless. And yes, I of course daily try to con the manager into letting me put one in my 308. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 131 Registered: 5-2002 |
To get the car handling it has a set of 550 wheels with 225/40-18 front, 285/35-18 rear, Ohlins STJ shocks, 450/400 f/r springs. For power I put on an Eaton MP90 blower (roots type),timed the cams to euro spec, Haltech Electronic fuel and ignition. It makes 305rwHP - so 350-360 crank. It got a kevlar clutch and oversize alum radiator with 18" fan to help keep it reliable. This was the second season with this engine and it's been really good. I'm thinking I'm going switch to a screw type blower over the winter. It's more efficent and will get the power up to about 425. I may pull the engine back out also this winter to add forged pistons, o-ring the cylinders and rework the intake to add an intercooler to go with the new blower and bump it to 600, but that's a lot of work and I just don't know if I have the time this year. It still needs a brake upgrade too. I drive the car in the summer and change stuff in the winter. If I had to pay someone to do the work, I guess I would just buy a car the came from the factory fast, like a C5 since there is no way I could afford a 355 or 360. But since I just love my 308 and I can do the work, spending a little time and money to correct it's short comings doesn't bother me. I guess the look on peoples faces after they get beaten by an "old, slow 308" makes it that much better. I used to roadrace a harley that I a few years ago and it was the same thing. The look on peoples faces when they stopped by after the race to try to figure out how they got out powered and out cornered by a harley on a road course just made it all worth while. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 584 Registered: 12-2001 |
I would never consider doing a non-ferrari swap in my 308. I just wondered how people have done them, just curious and we needed a new topic because not much has been happening around here lately. For myself, a blower would put the price of modifing the car into a catagory that comes close to TR ownership. Ill do cams to finish what changes Ive made but it wouldnt be cost effective to go much further, for me anyway. Mark, what have you done to your's? | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 130 Registered: 5-2002 |
Stock to stock almost anything you buy today will trash a 308, but it's really not that that hard to bring a 308 up to modern performance standards. The day I was at the dyno, there was a guy with a C5 there. He had headers and a slick carbon fiber cold air intake. A nice car, but my 308 made a couple more HP. The couple times I've run into C5's at the autocross, I've beaten them. Not by much, they're very good cars, but with modern parts, you get modern performace out of a 308. Nick does 375 HP street engines or take a stock engine and add a turbo at about 15 psi, and you'll get 450 HP. Add another turbo and an intercooler and you get 600 Hp @24 psi or 800 @ 30 psi acording the the guys at norwood. I'm looking into replacing my roots blower with a screw type since the prices have come way down the last couple years. With a screw type supercharge and an intercooler, 600 HP in very do-able. I just don't see way you swap engines. | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 308 Registered: 4-2002 |
My mother has a Northstar in her '98 Caddy. Engine is nice and smooth. It and the tranny are the best parts of the car. The suspension and brakes are horrible. Shocks are already worn out at 35K. It feels like a boat on the water. All my cars, except 328, are German. She would think mine ride too firmly. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 2104 Registered: 2-2001 |
A Cadillac Northstar powerplant would be the way to go if you wanted the dependability of GM power and simplicity of installation. If you are going to replace the outdated Ferrari engine you might as well replace the outdated transmission as well with a GM unit. The easiest way to solve the whole problem is to put the 308 in a museum and buy a used C-5 Corvette that will cost about the same as a used 308 and will beat it in every catagory. If you remove the Ferrari engine then you in essence just have a Kit car so why not buy a Fiero kit? | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 492 Registered: 3-2001 |
Wouldn't a engine with front wheel drive work much better and be a lot less work. I know you wouldn't get the lots of extra power but it should fit much better. (Lexus, etc.) Yesterday I saw a 56' Vette with an LT1 engine in it. It was very nice. Some have said that the Cadillac engine would fit ok. There was one forsale with GM drivetrain on autotrader about 2 years ago. I think he was asking around $24K. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 406 Registered: 5-2001 |
We had something like this thread a while back. Most people voted for the Goldsmith V-12 Daytona engine conversion. It isn't quite a drop in, but it's a heck of a lot less work than an American V8 conversion would be. Also, all you'd get is envy from other Ferrari owners, not flack. Caution, you may need NOMEX glasses to read the responses to this  Of course I still have a 20B twin turbo 3-rotor sitting on an engine stand in my garage awaiting the right project car. I sometimes dream of a 450+BHP Ferrari-MAZDA track car... | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 129 Registered: 5-2002 |
I guess if I where going to do it, I'd use a GM front drive gearbox. Seems like a bad Idea though. By the time you get done adapting everything you could have built the 308 engine to make the power. I put a 500 inch caddy engine in a Fait x1/9 about 10 years ago using an eldorado trans � a lot of work. | ||
| Dr. Mike Adams (Drmike)
New member Username: Drmike Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thanks Paul. But, She stood on my seats with shoes on; so I had to get rid of her ;) | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 580 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nice daytona Mike, too bad her arms are crossed though. Thanks for the info. | ||
| Dr. Mike Adams (Drmike)
New member Username: Drmike Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've seen it done, once, with an Olds/Buick/Rover 3.5L/4.0L Aluminum V8. I didn't get a good look at how it was mounted though. It did look like a professional installation. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 579 Registered: 12-2001 |
No I never would do that but wondered how people made the conversion. Particularly in a 308. How do you mount a 350 in one? How did they attatch the gearbox or did they use something else for a trans? Just curious. Ive heard it before but never seen one or even a picture. |