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Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 845
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 11:32 pm: | |
Thinking aloud here - I recall over hearing at the local AUTH service dept. They are rather wary of anyone adding fluids to a 360f1 - they will check and fill any/all your fluids free and without appt (on any F car). They seemed to think that more people go wrong adding things they shouldn't than the cars burn/leak or otherwise lose fluids (specifially F1 trans fluids). I don't recall all the specifics but I do remember them going over a a just delivered 360f1 with it's owner, about how you should NOT be worried about "low" fluids, as things are not always as they appear (comparing fluid levels in dry vs. wet sump, cold vs. hot, running vs. off, etc.). There was a certain method to checking some of these fluids, I can't recall exactly what that entailed, others may have more answers on that. I could be wrong.
On a side note, on my (dry sump TR) I have seen the effects of over filled oil sump (oil in air intake and throttle bodies). I've been carefully instructed that the FULL fill level is about 1/3 up from Min. to Max. and 2" drop below Min. is also acceptable. With 16 quarts of motor oil, being down a quart ain't much (not like an American V-8 with ~5 qts).
I guess I wouldn't be thinking rebuild based on fluid level ALONE - but that is just me. Plenty more things to inspect, review (documents), etc.
-Ben |
Doug Hamer (Airmech)
New member
Username: Airmech
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 10:20 pm: | |
Whoa, take us out of warp mr. Sulu,learning curve ahead.Dry sump for engine and tranny,that lightens the load.I'll discover later the car uses a positive ground electical system with inverter rectifiers and what not's.Not a lot of technical data on a machine like this out in the world,the web world will have to be the source.I've only seen 4 f-cars on the road in Las Vegas in the 2.5 years I've lived there,a 308 moving,a328 with the driver cleaning fouled plugs,a 550 moving and a yellow 360 parked off of a freeway exit lookin broke.I suspect this is that car at the dealer and it might have a history of gettin no respect.The dealer,when l was talking to them did have the manuals but a maint.histoy log wasn't in that stack of books.Lots to look for on a histoy of this type of car,oil problems are the first one I'll start with and go up from there.thanxs for the input |
Joseph Caretti (Pino)
Junior Member
Username: Pino
Post Number: 99
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 4:18 pm: | |
There was no engine oil on the dipstick because the car has a dry sump oil system. To check the oil level, you must first run the engine until warm, and then check the oil level in the resevoir.
It requires a lot of faith.
A rebuild on the F1 tranny should not vary much from any other manual transmission, as it has the same components, albeit some parts more robust.
As you will find out sooner or later, anything having to do with a Ferrari is big bucks. Anything involving the words "Ferrari rebuild" require even bigger bucks. It's as if it's from another planet, or something similar. |
Doug Hamer (Airmech)
New member
Username: Airmech
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 2:14 am: | |
I've been doing some homework on a 360 modena (yellow/black 13k+miles)at a high end dealership here in town.The car was traded in for an H2 hummer by a ball player who a well I feel didn't give the car the mechanical care it needed. After picking my jaw off the ground scanning this beauty,wondered in to the show room started askin questions.Dealer response was polite and quite informative about what they knew about the car.Got the "ferrari salesman" talkin,walkin,gettin keys lets make a deal mode going.Told the guy up front "I don't have this type of bankroll($149,900) but could I open the door, sniff around,open the engine bay get some more hands on knowlege"didn't have a problem he kept on pitchin the salesmen rant.Cool.Opened the car door,sat in the seat,put my hands on the wheel,made the verroomm sound (to myself of course)got the good feeling I'm sure owners get just being behind the wheel.Opened the engine bay,figured out where the dip stick was for the engine,twisted it out and saw a full and very clean sample off the stick.Humm,bad feeling.Asked the guy if the dealer had done a oil analysis when they took the car in on the trade.He didn't know. OK. Got to the tranny oil stick,twisted it out,and staired at a very dry stick and felt my heart drop!Oh YIKS!Put the stick back in and felt like I needed to say a silent prayer to a dead tranny.Poor baby.Now, I havn't seen the owners/service manual for this car,but i'm going under the addage that a manual transmision(syncros,shift forks, hi viscosity gear oil for lubrication and heat transmision)needs to be checked when the engine is cold and on level ground.I saw a 1/4 inch at most level indication on the stick 3inches away from the fill line and even more inches away from the full line on the stick.Once the wobble patern has been established in the bearings,the hardening of the gear surfaces reduced, the meshing of gear pattern changed, the end play and overall tightness of the internal relationship whithin the gear box itself has started,no oil fills, aditives or happy thoughts will stop a slow death and very costly rebuild of the tranny.Has anybody with the F1 tranny ever had a rebuild done?Who in the southwest would be best at doing the job with a warrenty on there work?What would a job like this cost also with a thourough engine inspect for lube starvation damage? Just doin more homework. thanks for the input |
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