| Author | Message | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 398 Registered: 4-2002 |
The application that I saw for the B253 was for an Allison automatic truck tranny. Go figure. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2157 Registered: 12-2000 |
Philip, nothing surprising about his comments. Officially, the B253 is NOT a Ferrari specific filter. It is suited to do heavy-duty work and can fit everything from an Ingersoll-Rand on-site generator/compressor (according to my local source) to Ford trucks (F-250's). It just so happens to fit the Ferrari, it does have all of the requirements to meet/exceed the demands of the engine (physical size, PSI ratings, stand-pipe, etc...) and they do mention it in their application guide as it fits: "Ferrari/Porsche"... | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 696 Registered: 5-2002 |
I got no problem with baldwin. Did get bad threads on a fram before. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 369 Registered: 5-2002 |
Here's a link to an oil filter comparison site. http://minimopar.net/oilfilterstudy.html It doesn't have much good to say about Fram. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2849 Registered: 2-2001 |
I use Fram and have never had a problem. When someone brings a filter in at work it's usually Fram (we use stock Ferrari stuff when we supply, either UFI or Puralax? - the black one on the 355s). I get them at the local parts store at normal car prices, they are always in stock, and if you have more than one Ferrari from the same period, chances are it uses the same model (2804-1 I think it is). | ||
| Philip Airey (Pma1010)
New member Username: Pma1010 Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2002 |
Magoo - just the exposed side (but that's all I've ever had to do). All, here's an extract of my post to Baldwin and their response. My intent is not to flame anyone and I'll omit the engineer's name. However, the response was somewhat surprizing. Thoughts? From me: I thought I'd let you know, after hearing problematic reports of Fram and UFI filters, I purchased 3 Baldwin filters for my Ferrari 308 (I think B253 is the model number) in the last 2 months. I have just removed the second Baldwin filter and gone back to UFI. I was unable to get either of the two Baldwin filters I have used to seal on its (upside down) mount. Despite progressively torque-ing the filter tighter and tighter, it would not seal and when the second one continued to dump its contents over the engine block, enough was enough and I went back to UFI. I have #3 unused and the used #2 (with no more than 300 miles on it) should you wish to inspect them (I pitched the first, writing it off as an anomaly). Reply from Baldwin engineer: Thank you for using Baldwin Filters. We are sorry to learn of the inconvenience you experienced with our product. Through my review of the Ferrari applications, I found that we do not have a lube filter listed for the Ferrari applications. So the B253 may not seal to that application. We can examine the filters to see if the filters are defective, allowing them to leak. You can return the filters to your nearest Baldwin Distributor, who can assist you with the return of the filters. We ask that a copy of the Field Report Form, which is on page 464 in the 2002 Product Guide, be filled out and returned with the filters. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Philip | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3406 Registered: 2-2001 |
David, There is no such thing as perfection in anything. However the Baldwin filter has been a great, well built, filter and I have my doubts that they have a production problem. I hope these guys post their findings. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 300 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have used a total of four Baldwins (three on my old 308 and one on my new to me 328) Never had a problem with them sealing, just put a little oil on the seal, and tighten one additional turn after touching down. If you notice, the new UFI's use the same gasket as the Baldwin now. Rather than the funny "D" shaped thing that they used to use, which was curved on the side the seated to the flange, and flat against the filter. My buddy uses the Baldwins on his Daytona, no problems thus far. I guess my thought is none of these things are perfect, so to each their own. I personally find the Baldwin and new UFI to be entirely interchangeable (the Fram scares me). I have used both, and get whatever suits my fancy at the time, though lately it has been the Baldwins, since the shop that sells them is closer to my house, and they cost less than half what the UFI does. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3392 Registered: 2-2001 |
Philip, Did you lube both sides of the seal or just the exposed one? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 375 Registered: 4-2002 |
I tighten the Baldwins 1 full turn after contacting the gasket (as specified on the can), which is about the limit my wimpy fingers are capable of. So far, no leaks (fingers crossed). | ||
| Philip Airey (Pma1010)
New member Username: Pma1010 Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2002 |
I have had two Baldwin's fail -- dumping oil all over the engine in my 308. Both failed to seal on the filter seat even after (progressively) torquing the filter harder than any other filter I've had experience of. Yes, I did lube the O-ring before putting on. I do not think it was over torqued. I do think the O-ring is defective. Have since replaced with a UFI. No issues. I have also advised Baldwin and offered to ship them the offending product if they want to inspect. Philip | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1613 Registered: 9-2001 |
I noticed in their claims section that if there product is the source of damage to an engine they will pay cost of repair to condition prior to failure - i would have thought they would only pay for the replacement filter with all the standard disclaimers | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 346 Registered: 8-2002 |
I'd like to see Fram and UFI with that kind of customer service and commitment to quality. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1611 Registered: 9-2001 |
called them left message - call back in 5 minutes - offered me a credit (was not looking for one) and asked me to send it back in postage paid package in order for them to investigate. keep you posted | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1608 Registered: 9-2001 |
Yeah, I will probably give them a call. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 364 Registered: 4-2002 |
I recently had a Baldwin filter where the threads were, uh, strange. It wouldn't screw on. They exchanged it. Hope this isn't a bad sign for the future. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2145 Registered: 12-2000 |
http://www.baldwinfilters.com | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3365 Registered: 2-2001 |
Lets hope it isn't UFI all over again. I bet Baldwin would like to know of your finding. I would go on the net type in Baldwin Filters and you will pull up a lot of contacts. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1606 Registered: 9-2001 |
Changed my oil this am and installed a new baldwin oil filter. started it back up and everything came up to pressure and temp. While checking for leaks around the filter I noticed some small air/oil bubbles coming out of the filter can right where the filter can has a seem in the outside canister - down towards the bottom. Maybe this is normal for a little air to come out with the intial pressure but I was not taking any chance and so I put another baldwin on and it looks much better. Not saying this is a widespread issue but just wanted to give you folks a heads up. I figured a 10 filter is much easier to deal with than having it blow apart under load  |