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Message |
Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
| | Posted on Friday, September 21, 2001 - 5:10 am: | |
My 82 308 has no problems fueling. I have to turn off the engine first because the engine gets ahead of the pump and you cannot ever get it full. |
Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 5:55 am: | |
Frank - I think the tanks are filling up simultaneously. If the pipe between the tanks has a diameter small enough to do what you are suggesting, the gas gauge wouldn't oscillate so much when you are turning, especially with a tank less than a quarter full.
Make a long right turn and you see half full tanks and afterwards in a long lefthander you see almost empty tanks. The fuel is moving rather quickly from one tank to the other.
At one pump it takes forever to fill, at another the gas goes right in, so the problem must be a combination of a not optimal filler pipe on the car and (over)sensitive filler nozzles. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 11:56 am: | |
My experience is that the difficulty in rapidly filling Ferrari gas tanks is due to the fact that there are two seperate gas tanks on most Ferraris. So once the tank where the filler opening is located gets full it takes time for the second tank to fill through the crossover pipe that connects the two tanks. I've noticed it on my 328,TR and now 348 spider, all which have two gas tanks connected through a crossover pipe.. |
Krister Ripstrand (Krister)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 6:12 am: | |
Hi - This might be the problem I experience described in the posting http://209.196.179.161/discus/messages/112/2414.html? I shall be more careful when refueling the next time to see if I can get more than 76 litres into my specified 96 litre Mondial t coupé tank. In Sweden we only have the auto shut off nozles. |
William Badurski (Billb)
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 7:20 pm: | |
I have the same problem with both my Daytona and Mercedes C43. Here in the "corn belt" the Amoco premium, as well as everything else, is "environmentally friendly" (user unfriendly) gas with ethanol and other additives to preseve life as we know it. It's a pain to fill these cars. The Daytona works best if the nozzle is inverted 180 degrees upside down, while the Benz works best by just putting the tip of the nozzle in. If I fuel up outside the "collar counties" surrounding Chicago, I have no problems as the pumps are old style without vapor recovery and the gas doesn't have all the oxygenators. As an aside to this, I've noticed that fuel hoses tend to become very hard after a couple of years' running on this crap.
Bill Badurski
Technical Chairman- Ferrari Club of America |
Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 4:19 pm: | |
I use the cheapest regular fuel I can find and all my cars run fine on it except my Corvair which needs premium for the turbo. It depends on the kind of Ferrari you have and the compression ratio to determine the octane needs. I will bet that 75% of the motoring public does not know that premium fuel does not burn as well as regular. Most independent stations buy fuel from the lowest bidder and I have never really been able to tell any fuel quality difference between brands unless I got some water, and that was only once in my life. |
kelly vince (Tofosi1)
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 10:12 pm: | |
I found the same truck delivers to Chevron and to Sam's wholesale club. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 6:32 pm: | |
True, because we've gotten other Chevron trucks (ones that ferry gas from one station to the others) and they're fine. But the ones that come straight from the refinery here are like the ones I described. Hit-or-miss with them. The other brand's trucks that come in are consistantly clean. |
Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 3:01 pm: | |
I can't dispute that because you see it first hand. I've been using it off and on in my cars for years and no problems. Maybe they have a refinery where you are that just is not up to snuff. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 12:38 am: | |
Sorry Magoo, I wasn't specific, yes inside the tanker truck. When we do welding repairs, we fix leaks from the inside. |
Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 10:07 pm: | |
Peter, Are you talking about the inside of the truck tank or what's on the outside of the tank. Here in Fla. the outside appearances of the trucks I have seen are very clean. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 8:24 pm: | |
Yeah, additives are the only difference. Some companies use more detergent, etc. I once put in Sunoco 94, didn't make any difference that I could tell (I get Shell 93), but if it was around me I would use it again I guess. |
HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 5:21 pm: | |
I may be wrong but here in Rome GA a location where the gas pipes terminate and split on up the eastern seaboard. The gas is all the same only additaves are added to make one gas Chevron the other shell etc. The only good thing is the cost of gas in georgia is much less than for most of the country. what ever happened to 2.2.4.tri methal pentane |
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 2:49 pm: | |
Hey Sam, I wish we could get that Sunoco 94 down here in Atlanta! I only use Amoco Ultimate 93 in all my cars. It is clear, so it obviously has less crap in the fuel. I have heard of getting a crappy tank of fuel (insert QT and Racetrac fuel). But I have also gotten a tank of 93 at a BP once in my VW GTI VR6, it felt like racing gas!! It was so funny, I could not figure out what was going on with the car until I re fueled. My only wish now, is that 100 octane was available around here. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 1:24 pm: | |
What no Sunoco users? Anyone think Mobil is cleaner? I always go for their high octane blend but will use anything 91 or over...I especially look for the older nozzles based on my original post here in this thread... |
Frederick Thomas (Fred)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 2:18 am: | |
I always use shell. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 12:26 am: | |
Magoo, I don't know if its the same at all refineries, but the tanker-trucks that Chevron uses to deliver, that come into our shop are the dirtiest we get. So much sludge and crap that our steam cleaners can't cut through. I don't buy gas from Chevron here in B.C. |
Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 10:59 pm: | |
I mostly use CHEVRON which is closer to me. |
Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 10:56 pm: | |
I'm like Peter, Any brand available, but as long as its 93 Octane and it is a high volume gas station to lessen the chance of condensation, water in the gas. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 8:24 pm: | |
Yeah it's amazing how much your car performs better when you aren't using ethanol enriched gas, both in gas mileage and in acceleration. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 8:12 pm: | |
Amoco or Chevron. I am careful to avoid the "off-brands" even if the octane is fine. I worry about the quality. I put one tankful of cheaper high octane gas in my Scirocco once in high school and I will never forget it. I thought I needed engine work until I finally ran it out and re-fueled. I also stay away from ethanol-enhanced gas but it's my understanding that that is hard to do down here in Alabama in the summer. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 6:06 pm: | |
Any brand available, as long as its 91 octane and over. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 6:00 pm: | |
What kind of gas do you guys use? I use Shell. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 12:27 pm: | |
I guess that is why they make the cars so damn fast on the road because they are so slow in the pits refueling! Doesn't matter gives me much more time to chat with all my new friends I meet at every fuel stop....I amthinking of starting to sell life insurance on the side ...since I meet so many people in that red machine! --anyone need whole life? |
KH (H00kem)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 8:32 pm: | |
I have the same challenge with my 348 and F355...have to fill them more slowly than one would think. Must be a Ferrari thing....also, in both cases it's difficult to completely fill the tank unless the car is perfectly level. Nothing wrong with your car....probably just proves it a REAL Ferrari. It's the quirks in the car that make if fun! |
Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 8:30 pm: | |
What Mitchel says is true. I keep backing the nozzle off, up the tube, until the fuel reaches the top. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 12:39 pm: | |
That explains it I guess, it is frustrating I have to "play" with the nozzle by moving it in/out and trying to find a working position, in a few occasions I get a couple gallons in this way and just bag it and move on to another station with an older nozzle... |
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 11:14 am: | |
I have the same problem. Here is my hypothesis: The problem is caused by fuel vapor. If the fuel hose senses vapor is nearby, it will shut itself off, thinking that the fuel level is close to being full. With such a severe bend in the fuel tube, the dispensing hose thinks the car is full because the vapor is bouncing off the bend in the tubing. I just have to hold the nozzle down half way. I have no problem in my VW, just the Ferrari. Does that make sense? |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 10:04 am: | |
Right inside the gas cap the fuel filler tube make an abrupt 90 deg turn, this for some reason causes the auto shut off on many gas station pumps. Mine works fine though, so go figure. |
Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 1:37 pm: | |
I have same problem with '82 GTSi - I think nozzles have been redesigned over the years and don't seal on out older cars. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 11:11 am: | |
Wondering if others have problems fuilling their 308 QV tanks with gas (not $$$ wise just gas flow wise) here in NYC/NJ the pump fuel filler nozzle keeps auto shuting off (as if the tank is full) despite a empty tank and sticking the nozzle all the way in or 1/2 in etc. I know there is a kind of valve inteh filler neck. Do I have a blocked fuel tank vent causing back preassure or is this normal, if there is a vent, where is it, I know these cars are designed not to vent fumes but is this normal to be unable to fill the tank easly, esp. when hot? ..makes for very slow pit-stops. |