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| kelly vince (Tofosi1)
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We here in cajun land have started using Baldwin oil filters B253 is the part number. You can find them at any truck parts store. They weigh about twice as much as a Fram, have a bigger O ring than a UFI. and no waiting for oil pressure on start up like with a fram. Several of my friends and me will never go back to UFI or Fram. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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BretM -- Although I think that the Fram PH2804-1 outer case and quad-ring sealing system are OK, I took too many "empty" ones off of my ex-308 (indicating that the Anti Drainback Valve was not functioning properly). Here's a jpeg (that Alan Ing took recently -- if I recall correctly) of an opened-up Fram showing the ADV problem (the rubber piece should be "flat" -- sealing the ring of holes in the faceplate):  Don -- The best "inverted" oil filter value is the Baldwin B253 IMHO -- do a keyword search on "Baldwin" for the details and how to locate. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Don, I use Fram filters on my 308. I get them from my local parts store. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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I change my oil religously at 3K on all my cars. I have not done it on my 308 yet though. I have been using Prolong in my GTI VR6 for about 60,000 miles. It did smooth out the car at idle, and it did make it seem to run better. That car has 116,000 of the hardest miles I have ever put on a car in my life, and it runs better than ever before. I too have a friend who SWEARS by it. He has it in his E36 M3 and his 512 TR! And let me tell you, that 512TR is the smoothest, best running TR I have ever driven. I like Prolong, but like those guys said, if you change the oil every 2500-3000, you will be just fine. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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The people that claim that, figured that the filtering element would have caught the largest particles of crud and therefore only pass the smallest (hence the oil would be cleaner coming out the other end). But you're also getting less surface area of filtering element and the filter gets more restrictive in flow. I change my filter with every oil change. You wouldn't wash your car with a dirty old rag off the garage floor, so why would you keep a dirty old filter on? | ||
| Low Kai Chin (Speeddemon)
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Read somewhere that the recommended interval of 2 oil changes and one oil filter is partly because a slightly dirty oil filter actually works better! Any thoughts? | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
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Where do you guys get your filters? Is there a good internet site? Thanks. And, are there any recommendations on brand or type of lift for this job? -DN | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I am not trying to save the money on the filter, I was just questioning what I read. It sounded strange to me since I have always changed the filter with the oil in the past. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Penny wise and pound foolish. Of course change the filter each time you change the oil. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I change it every time. Every other car in the world gets a filter changed with the oil, why would the Ferrari be any different. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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I change the filter everytime. I don't want to put a 1/4 or 1/2 quart (whatever it holds) of dirty oil back into my new clean oil. I have heard of the opposite: changing the filter regularly and changing the oil every other time. I just change it everytime I change the oil, every 3000 or so miles. I understand that synthetics last much longer ( I use Red Line ) but I am not concerned about oil breakdown, I worry about the detergents being saturated. My 308 has 75K on the clock. I am not going to spend $35,000 on a car that has $15,000 to $20,000 engine rebuild fees and skimp on something as silly as the cost of an oil/filter change once or twice a year. But that's just my opinion. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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It recommends on expensive car.com to change the oil filter no sooner than 6000 miles. Do you guys change the filter everytime you change your oil or every other time? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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I'll be using Castrol Syntec in my car, but will still keep a 3000 mile interval for changing. Even though the synthetic stuff has better ingredients and breaks down much slower than conventional oils, it still picks up crap floating around in the engine, plus any of the other gases than may seep by the rings will eventually foul the oil. I use this stuff in my daily driver and change every 5000km (around 3000mi) and I do notice a difference right after the change. | ||
| kelly vince (Tofosi1)
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12 MM HEX Oil Drain Plug. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Anyone know the size of the Allen wrench needed to remove the oil plug? 10mm? 12mm? 1/2 inch? My mechanic freaks out when I ask him about these additives and tells me never to screw with these int he car and that includes gas addatives for teh injection and rad additive and tells me to stick to the maintenece schedule and don't get lazy with this gunk (hey i think that is an addative too!)(i know he may have a conflict of interest but I doubt it - he is so damn busy in the summer that you have to bribe him generously to get an appt. I am going to mobil one but he says it si a total waste of money since you have to change the oil so frequently in the ferrari anyway and fears the mobil one will make me lazy on the oil change that is very important. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Warren, I have had several people recommend it to me (Prolong) but my one friend in California is the one who swears by it. Today I emailed him and asked if he thought I should put it in my car. Two minits after I send the email I get a call from him. I say hello and am greeted with "Yes you should put it in" He put it in his mustang and said without a dought his engine ran smoother. My thinking is maybe it works and maybe it dosn't but as long as it won't hurt my car I'll spend the $20 to find out. As far as how long he used it I would guess 4 or 5 years. Fred | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Fred, How many miles have your friends used prolong and what results have they seen or problems that have been cured by using prolong? | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Fred, Do not use prolong. If you change your oil frequently you don't need a additive. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Put the jack stands under the oval part of the frame only. Place them so that they do not interfere with where you will be working under the car at the rear and if you place them up front follow the same proceedure. | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
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Where do you put the jack or jack stands so as not to damage the car? -DN | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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I do exactly like Bret, but I jack it up and place on stands at all four corners, so it is level in the air. Reason why? Unlike ordinary cars where the drain plug is at a corner of the pan, the 308's are right in the middle. If you jack up only one end, the pan doesn't drain completely (because the level of the plug hole is higher than the one end of the pan). I'll admit though I'm very picky and wouldn't let a drop of old oil remain in the engine. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I jack my 308 up just enough to get under there and then just pull the plug and let it drain. When I change the filter I stuff a rag around the base of it (rememeber the clutch is down there below it, $$$) before breaking it loose, and don't forget to punch a hole in the top of the filter and let it sit for like ten minutes before you start the oil change. I can change the oil faster in the Ferrari than I can in my Jeep, it's a snap. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I am getting ready to change the oil in my 308 for the first time (I am at 2800 miles since the last). I have changed the oil in my cars plenty of times but have never had a car that sits so low to the ground. I am wondering what guys (or girls Dina) use that is big enough and thin enough to fit under the oil pan. Or do you jack it up, but then I wonder if the oil would all drain with the car at a tilt. Also has anyone ever used the additive called Prolong in their car. I have had a lot have people say good things about it and a very good friend of mine swears by it. |