| Author | Message | ||
| UK Schuelke (400iman)
New member Username: 400iman Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2002 |
I bought my MSD6AL for my 400i at Checker Auto Parts. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1582 Registered: 9-2001 |
You can buy MSD products from NAPA stores I believe. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2002 |
http://www.summitracing.com/ btw: recieved the book already, thanks. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 150 Registered: 5-2002 |
sorry about posting twice here. Is there somewhere one can buy those MSD ignition enhancers on the internet. I have called each of the listed dealers of MSD in SC and none answer. The website of MSD does not sell directly to customers it appears. Any ideas? | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 149 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bill, everyone else, thanks so much for all the input. I am going to see what works for me. By the way, how do you know if the dinoplexes are not working. When I turn on the ignition, their make a squealing noise...is that what they are sup[posed to do? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1580 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have seen cars where people will hollow out the stock Dinoplex and put the MSD unit inside so the car still looks stock for concours purposes. Not hard to do and worth the effort IMHO. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 148 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bill, everyone else, thanks so much for all the input. I am going to see what works for me. By the way, how do you know if the dinoplexes are not working. When I turn on the ignition, their make a squealing noise...is that what they are sup[posed to do? | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 117 Registered: 6-2001 |
I've tried them all over the years. The NGK BP7EVX is the best by far in my car. The thing to remember about NGK is that higher numbers are colder rather than hotter. I tried 6's once, but for my driving they were a little too hot. I think you'll find one or the other should work well for you. If your car is a USA model with six-lobe distributor cams, the MSD 6A ignition box works very well with only one set of the stock four-leaf spring points in each distributor. If a Euro with three-lobe cams, it will not work. I used the MSDs for years in 16937, and they were great. However my present car has only the standard non-electronic ignition and runs indefinitely on a set of NGKs using only the stock coils and points. Perhaps you should try just the plugs first, as that may be all that's required to keep the plug life reasonable. The MSD boxes can be mounted in the original Dinoplex location with no problem. Electrical connections are simple, but you will need to extend the wires. I routed mine between the inner fender and outer fender to keep the wiring looking stock. As for the Boxer, I used an MSD 6A when the Dinoplex died. It was a bolt-in, and the tach sender was compatible with the tachometer too. William V. Badurski FCA Technical Chairman | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 326 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mounting an MSD is no big deal, easily added or removed. My 308 has an MSD6AL coupled with the single distributor conversion and it runs very well. Starts much easier, no more plug fouling and better low end throttle response. Im not saying anyone should use an MSD to cover up poor carb setup.... but the MSD is simply more advanced technology than what was originally in these old cars and it will make a difference. Go to a vintage race and see what most of the fast guys are running in ignition setup... | ||
| Drew Altemara (Drewa)
Junior Member Username: Drewa Post Number: 85 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have never installed one of these myself. It looks simple enough. Just remove the old Dinoplex and correctly attach/rewire the new MSD unit. I don't think you would have any trouble at all. I am not a mechanic but am "handy" and I know I could do it. It's simpiy a matter of mounting and reconnecting the wires. If you got stuck I'm sure someone on Ferrarichat could help. Maybe someone who has done this before can comment. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 141 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thanks Drew for providing the url to the MSD systems. Is the wiring of the units relatively simple, like the Dinoplex wiring? Thanks again | ||
| Drew Altemara (Drewa)
Junior Member Username: Drewa Post Number: 83 Registered: 2-2002 |
See this site www.msdignition.com I believe my Daytona used two MSD6A units. Some Ferrari owners have converted to MSD's on Daytonas, Dinos and Boxers. More reliable and less expensive once the Dinoplex fails. I wouldn't go out and replace a perfectly good Dinoplex though. See JRV's post earlier in this thread. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 139 Registered: 5-2002 |
sorry, I did not bypass the dinoplex in the boxer, just used hotter plugs...the dinoplex workjs fine there...i bypassed it completely in the daytona and it seems it makes no difference. What are those MSD units you guys mentioned? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 271 Registered: 11-2002 |
I agree biggest single problem is plain ole 'carbs running way to rich' ! ya talk an talk but nobody listens...;-)..LOL. | ||
| Dr. Mike Adams (Drmike)
New member Username: Drmike Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2002 |
I run Champion N6Y's with no problem now that my carbs are properly set up. And I have an early Euro car with no electronic ignition. Every Daytona I have worked on ( which makes a whopping 3, including mine ), I found running WAY rich at idle. It seems like this is usually done to cover up a flat spot just off idle. The two causes I found were... 1. Float level too low. Seems allot of people dont know how to deal with the spring loaded ball when setting the level. and 2. Check the throttle position at idle to make sure that the 1st progression hole is not uncovered at idle. This causes a BIG flat spot. | ||
| Drew Altemara (Drewa)
Junior Member Username: Drewa Post Number: 82 Registered: 2-2002 |
I can remember that when the Dinoplex went out in my 246GT I ran it on the "emergency" circuit for a time that bypasses the Dinoplex and I could not notice any difference. In all fairness though, I never drove the car hard while in this condition. Hi Frank, I think Dr. Ibrahim may be refering to bypassing the Dinoplex in the Daytona. I can't remember for sure but you may have been able to run the Daytona in the "emergency" position also simply by unplugging and reconnecting a couple of wires. I never did this with mine as it had the Dinoplexes replaced with MSD units that were hard wired when I bought it. Dr. ibrahim, what plugs are you running in your Boxer. I have NGK BP6ES in mine (its a carburated car though) and I experience mild fouling. Have you or is anyone else running BP5ES (a little hotter) in a Boxer? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1559 Registered: 9-2001 |
Coachi, I now have a 1982 Boxer that has the Dinoplex . What did you replace it with when you bypassed it in your Boxer ? | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 138 Registered: 5-2002 |
It makes a lot of sense...I had discovered that hotter plugs made my Boxer run better...so I will switch to NGK as recommended and hopefully, end that fouling for ever. Anyone have Dinoplexes in their cars? Are they worth anything? I have bypassed mine and it does not seem to make any difference. Anyone care to comment? | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1217 Registered: 1-2001 |
Coach I -- Here's a small table for referencing Champion-to-NGK from the data in the Aus. NGK-Champion cross-reference and the NGKs available from http://www.clubplug.net --  Agree with the others that you should try the Champion N9YC, NGK BP6ES, or (my preference) NGK BPR6EVX if you're not hitting extended triple-digit mph speeds on a frequent basis. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1558 Registered: 9-2001 |
A recent article in Forza I believe explained why it is helpful to use a slightly hotter plug in carburated Ferraris. It claimed that the factory recommended plugs reflected the higher speed and rpm use that european drivers subject their cars to. Most cars in the U.S.A. and not driven as much or as hard so they perform better with a hotter plug. That article suggested that only NGK plugs should be used in a Ferrari regardless of what came in the car. I know I put hotter NGK plugs in my old 1967 330GTC and never had a fouling problem. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2002 |
correction: N6Y's are high speed highway plugs (cold) | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dr. in champions use N-9yc's or the NGK equvilent. N-9' s are hogh speed highway plugs. You're fouling plugs 'cause the carbs are running to rich and/or you have miss's. If you use a colortune be sure the color is Bunson Blue and very consistant on each cylinder. Personaly I don't care for MSD's , a better fix imo is properly tuned carbs and ignition system that puts out what the factory called for, you can check the ignition system for pronlems on a live scope such as the ones Tune-Up Masters uses, or other well equiped shop. By guess or by golly auto repair has not stood the test of time well as compared to using tools and equipment to analyze and direct. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 137 Registered: 5-2002 |
Daytona owners out there.... what are the best plugs to use in a Daytona? I have used Champion N 6Y C as recommended, but I am constantly fouling the plugs and having to replace them. Also, the AEC 103 , the ignition capacitors that are present on USA daytonas...does anyone know if they really work or do anything...and if so, what aftermarket product can one use that actually works? Thank you. |