| Author | Message | ||
| Eugene Angelo (Eangelo)
New member Username: Eangelo Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2001 |
Spacers are not used. I think the 1993 and later 348's have more offset in the rear rims. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 121 Registered: 8-2002 |
A 1" 7" diameter Steel plate BTW is huge unsprung weight. Maybe the best design is to make Aluminium with the hub aligment hole drilled out then bolt the aluminium to the hub, then bolt the wheels in with long bolts. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 120 Registered: 8-2002 |
Never thought about that either! What does the factory due with later 348's...1993etc? Are these cars spacered from the factory or did Ferrari totally remanufacture the hub face? | ||
| Bert Kanters (Bert308)
New member Username: Bert308 Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2002 |
The ones in the picture below are of course made in steel. I have those on my Lancia Montecarlo, they were supplied with a set of small bolts to bolt them to the hubs, the head of normal wheelbolts is to big. Then you can use your old wheelbolts to mount the wheels, but in many cases it would turn out they are too long then, so you have to get new ones or shorten them. Disadvantage from thick (25mm or more)go-through spacers with longer bolts is, that it is possible when braking/accelerating the bolts are rocking forward and backwards if not tight enough, and they can get loose or break. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 117 Registered: 8-2002 |
never thought about this. You are right very dangerous. I would go with through the sacer types with longer wheel bolts only. I have seen the other types with studs that stick out attached to the aluminium plate and your old Ferrari bolts bolt the plate to the hub as shown in your picture. Very bad move! | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
New member Username: 348paul Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
Just seen the ones on ebay - These are a different type that use the threaded hole on the spacer to secure the wheel. What frightens me is that if these are just made out of Aluminium without any helicoil inserts the strength of that thread holding the wheel on is an accident waiting to happen - If they are out of a high alloy steel, no problem! - beware!IMHO of course! Have posted pic on here so all can see. Regards Paul  | ||
| Bert Kanters (Bert308)
New member Username: Bert308 Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2002 |
Here are some more: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14771&item=3101712172 I had the spacers for my 308 made at my job 12mm and 25mm, the maintanance people in the nightshift had a great time doing it and it only cost me a cake that my mother baked :-) Bolts I ordered from powertech in Germany, they also make spacers: http://www.powertech.de/spurverbreiterungen/index.htm | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3460 Registered: 5-2001 |
My spacers came from Koenig in Germany. The fronts are 15mm and they came with new longer lug nuts. You can actually go with 20mm (I would do this today) The rear is a massive 30mm and brings the tire right to the outside rim of the wheel well. The are mounted with the original lugs to the axle and then new lugs hold the tire onto the spacer. This way on the rear the spacer is fixed to the axle if you take the rim off, however those need to be re-fastened after the first time putting them on. Makes a nice clonking noise if you don't. Live and learn  Allen, highly recommend them. Go 20mm front and 30mm rear. Give Manu a call to see how much he charges. The visual of the car with spacers is so much better and handling is much improved as well. | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2001 |
Spacers can be used to fit pre-manufactured wheels with non-Ferrari offsets to F-cars. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 268 Registered: 4-2002 |
What do spacers do? Spacers increase the track of the car, which reduces the latteral weight transfer. You can tune the oversteer/understeer responce by using different spacer widths front to rear. The wider the spacer, the more grip on that end. Spacers (at the front) also move the tires outward and thereby increase the scrub radius (the distance between where the steering axis intersects the road and the center of the tire) leading to a heavier feel (more effort) at the steering wheel. The lug nuts must always have 1.5 times their diameter of threads engaged in the hub. This is why spacers should come with new longer lug nuts. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 580 Registered: 2-2002 |
TomD, as always, is right! Dudes - just drop me a line if you want some... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2081 Registered: 9-2001 |
Pete I think it is generally good policy to retorque/recheck your wheels (spacers or not) after the first run to make sure nothing has inadvertently loosen up | ||
| pete (Pete_peter)
New member Username: Pete_peter Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2002 |
I heard, that the lugs bolts come loose after the first run (after install) and need to be re-torqued. True ? | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 103 Registered: 8-2002 |
So manu what kind of great price can you give FC'ers?with bolts of course... | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 583 Registered: 2-2002 |
Guys - you misunderstood me - "proper" wheelspacers are 'effectively' lug-holed washers..... if you know what I mean.. - hell I sell 'em. There are quite a few advantages: - improved high speed stability - greater outright grip - on occasion - sharper turn and steering response.....  IMO that's nothing but a big washer with safety/ strength requirements as specified by law .... | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 101 Registered: 8-2002 |
Getting/making the spacers is easy. Getting the bolts is way harder. What is ever worse if feeling comforatble that teh vendor sold you good bolts! And thank GOD for Rexracer comments...washers in deed! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 125 Registered: 6-2002 |
no, i wont use washers! thank you! | ||
| Rexrcr (Rexrcr)
New member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2002 |
DON'T USE WASHERS TO MAKE SPACERS. That guarentees failure of a major kind. Let's not hurt ourselves, now. Are you going for the Speciale look? I know H&R makes spacers, studs, nuts. 888-827-8881. They have your application. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 582 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jim..... erm....... yeah.... sort of!! | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 583 Registered: 7-2002 |
educate me. spacers do what? extend then rear wheels out further for better traction etc? Do they go between the wheel and the hug..ie on the lug nut posts? Or are they more complicated than that. Also, would a wider tire/rim combo with different offsets etc accomplish the same thing? I ask because when I was a kid we would take lugnut washers and put them between the wheel and hub on the threaded posts to make our tires stick out on our hot rods. Made em look meaner. Surely, you guys aren't doing this on your fcars....? | ||
| Fred (I Luv 4REs) (Iluv4res)
Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 271 Registered: 8-2002 |
Martin should be able to help you. He has them on his 348. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 123 Registered: 6-2002 |
Anyone know where you can get 348 spacers cheap? Also ive done the cat-bypass pipes and k+n filter, made a noticeable difference! Any other inexpensive things to do, like plugs or anything? I dont want to spend alot of money as i dont plan on keeping the car very long and then getting a 355 and doing that all up! |