| Author | Message | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 248 Registered: 1-2002 |
Bruce: you just couldn't resist comming back to check out the "polish or wax" debate. You sly guy. Happy New Year! | ||
| Ron R (Ronr)
Junior Member Username: Ronr Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2002 |
I've been using one of those California dusters for my black car lately. I just lightly brush it over the car. Seems to work pretty well. You have to do something, black collects a lot of dust over just a day or two in the garage. | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 136 Registered: 8-2002 |
does anyone use a dust brush on a black car? or an air hose to blow off the dust? i'm too scared to even try this. its just soo hard to keep a black car dustless. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1381 Registered: 4-2002 |
FOR SCRATCHES AND SWIRLS I HAVE USED 3M IMPERIAL HAND GLAZE AND WORKS LIKE A CHAMP..... HAPPY NEW YEAR, BRUCE | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
Junior Member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 244 Registered: 7-2002 |
it just fills in the fine scratches (meguires no. 9 is a swirl remover) over time it will get washed off. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 467 Registered: 5-2001 |
While we're talking finishes, could someone please tell me what a 'glaze' is & how it makes swirl marks disappear? I'm guessing it's a super fine polishing compound, possibly with something that fills in the remaining marks. I've been using 3M's Perfect-It Foam Polishing Pad Glaze with a special 'egg crate' style foam pad on my DA & the results are spectacular. To protect the finish I've then been giving the car a final coat of Rain-X Ultra Wax. Goes on very easy & leaves a deep wet look. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Junior Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 164 Registered: 3-2001 |
yep, see what you mean....apologises for the confusion Jason | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Junior Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 145 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jason: You said, "A wax is used to protect the paintwork....This can be in the form of a polymer, or a classic carnuba wax" A polymer isn't a wax, but you lumped it into that category. Or maybe I just misinterpreted what you were trying to say. "This" in your sentence might have been referring to all *protectants*, rather than the wax category which is the way I took it. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Junior Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 159 Registered: 3-2001 |
Mike, "Even in your example you say that Finish First or Liquid Glass synthetics would be waxes" I didn't say that or use the above examples?? I do however agree with your comment on poly sealants.....which is why I would recommend using a sealant and layering wax on top of it. Doing this gives you the longevity and protection of a polymer, and the "richness" of a wax | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Junior Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 142 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jason -- the terms are no longer quite so "pure" between wax and polish. Even in your example you say that Finish First or Liquid Glass synthetics would be waxes, but they are in no way waxes since their composition contains NO WAX. Just because they go on top of a paint finish without using abrasives to remove paint imperfections, they're not automatically "wax". They call themselves polish/sealants. In fact, when using Finish First (I've used it for over 5 years now) on my Ferrari, after the first couple of times NO red comes off on the cloth -- as it isn't "polishing" anything, merely applying more "clearcoat". Waxes have that hand rubbed look (what some call "richness". Synthetic poly sealants just look like more clearcoat on top of your paint, giving simple "depth" like it was recently painted, without looking "recently waxed". It's a matter of personal preference (and I guess symantics). | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 246 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks all. I used Mothers Reflections Premium Polish today. The car looks great. Have all of 200 miles on it now. There were a couple of small micro scratches that are now gone. Easy to use. Going to get some of the "Finish First" for the next time. Appreciate the help. Bruce: thanks for reminding me, I need to get another license plate frame right away! Can't take the one off the 328.  | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Junior Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jscott, I don't know whether your dealer is mixing up words etc, but the info is incorrect. Polishes and waxes perform different functions....Polish is used to remove surface imperfections (contaminents, surface oxidation, and minor sswirls/scratches) it can be either a chemical polish, or may contain a slight abrasive (again dependant on the proposed application). A wax is used to protect the paintwork....This can be in the form of a polymer, or a classic carnuba wax....the primairy function is to act as a sealant.... I would be surprised if a wax were to dull your paintwork (dull paintwork is often indicative of other problems) The biggest problem with black paint is its tendancy to show up swirl marks (I would suggest only using high quality microfibre towels, if this is a major concern)and absolutely steer clear of electric mops....most detailers (& even body shops) do not use them correctly, leaving wonderful swirls all over the car!! Wax build up is easy to remedy, either use a chemical polish e.g. Pinnacle Paintwork cleanser, or Zymol HD cleanse, Klasse All-in-one.... or wash the car using Dawn (detergent) all of the above will strip the car of any wax.... You should bear in mind that a proper wax will not hide/fix swirl marks, what it will do is give your paint a depth/shine/clarity (providing the paintwork is in good condition). If you are looking for the ultimate shine/gloss....the best combination is to use a polymer sealant, then apply a carnuba wax on top, (allow this to cure overnight) and apply another 'layer' the next day.....The technique of layering wax on polymer sealant will give the ultimate shine, but it's extremely labor intensive. (not worth it for a daily driver) | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
Junior Member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 243 Registered: 7-2002 |
I use meguires no. 7 or no. 9 swirl remover on my black 308...it is painted with a combo of the original laquer in most spots and glasurite single stage black...works very well....I suspect that nissan is using basecoat/clear on their black so it is hard to say what would work best...the no. 7 really adds nice richness to the paint... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1359 Registered: 4-2002 |
o, no another wax/polish thread..lets bring on the floor mats and "fish-like" license plates holders, ok, j scott.... bruce | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 245 Registered: 1-2002 |
thanks for the feedback. | ||
| Bill V. (Doc)
Junior Member Username: Doc Post Number: 218 Registered: 9-2001 |
I just tried Maguire's Gold Class hard wax on my 308 for the first time and am very impressed! It goes on and comes off easily and leaves a very slick shine. It's not expensive either. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1066 Registered: 8-2001 |
The stormy weekend we're having in the Seattle area allow me to finally clean and detail my black 360. I currently use the Meguiar's line of products for the paint. After washing the car, I clay the surfaces, apply a coat of glaze, then finish with their Gold Class wax. I found that Meguiar's do a quicker job than Griot's. There's also very little residue working with Meguiar's. | ||
| VS (Vs1)
Junior Member Username: Vs1 Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2002 |
I use Zaino on my silver Corvette. But, I use wax on the Jeep [it's black] and on the Ferrari. Poylmer Polishes tend to have a more sterile look. The Corvette looks like it has an acrylic lacquer layer over the paint. Wax is deeper, more natural looking. I, personally, think wax looks much better on dark colors. For a daily driver - I'd recommend the polish as it's durability is infinitely longer than wax. But - it's a lot more work as the paint must be carefully prepared or you'll seal all the imperfections and/or water spots, etc. under the polish [another reason I use wax on the Jeep]. Wax is easy to remove - polish [Zaino] requires alcohol. With all that said - we have a Quartz [dark silver] Jaguar on order and I plan on using Zaino on that one. Both have their positives and negatives - and it really comes down to personal preference. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Junior Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 139 Registered: 8-2002 |
My favorite for ANY F-car is Finish First from www.liqui-tech.com though Zainer Bros products are similar and a very close second (and first for some folks). I'd never go back to wax. The more you use it, the "deeper" the finish looks, and you don't have to worry about it getting difficult to take off if you leave it on too long. See notes at www.fca-se.org/concours.htm | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 244 Registered: 1-2002 |
O.K. so I just got a new Infiniti G35 Sport Coupe. My Ferrari gets lonely and I need a fun daily driver. BTW the new Coupe is pretty fun, 280HP, 6 speed. I intend to put the performance chip in as soon as they are available next summer should add about 25 HP! My question is this, the guy at the dealership said not to wax the car but polish it instead. He said that wax will build up and dull the finish. What do you guys, with black F-cars, do? What is the best product to use on black? My 328 is white so it is pretty easy to care for. |