| Author | Message | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 426 Registered: 5-2001 |
Verell, I did a quick visual inspection and verified in the owners manual that indeed, the 328 has a cable actuated clutch. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 424 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sorry Verell, I was just going off two different books I have read on the 328....just goes to show the inaccuracies in them...but please note I covered myself in true political fashion with the phrase "supposedly have hydraulic clutches..." Just covering my bases... :-) Dave | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 473 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mitchell, Carl, The 328 documentation agrees with you. The 328 SPC (2nd Edition Cat #462/87) with the clutch & clutch pedal tables dated MARZO '87 shows clutch cables. I'm afraid that Peter & David are mistaken about the 328s having hydraulic clutches. I seriously doubt that Ferrari would have changed to a hydraulic clutch during the last year or so of the 328's production run. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 478 Registered: 11-2001 |
Peter: Phil Hooper (used to post on this board) has a 328 that I drove 6 months ago. I forgot which year. A few months ago, his cable "snapped" and he fixed it with a new cable. I had assumed that this means his 328 has a cable clutch. Any way, the pressure plate with the disc on the inside is what one should use for the old style PP like a GT4, which both you (peter) and I have. So, we have gotten used to the clutch effort and should not notice anything different. My comment was: if your car has the updated Pressure Plate (the one with the curved fingers inside), then you want to make sure that you get the same replacement. James (another poster here) had asked for a clutch kit for his 84 308QV, and Evans sold him the OLD pressure plate saying that it is ALL that is available now, even for the later style cars. That I find hard to believe. | ||
| Carl Rose (Carl_rose)
Junior Member Username: Carl_rose Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmmm...haven't disassembled my clutch (yet!) but the 328 parts manual shows two versions of cable-operated clutches (early/late). No mention is made of hydraulic apparatus.  Carl | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2346 Registered: 12-2000 |
Mitchel, I know of no 328 that has a cable-operated clutch, they should be all hydraulic. The only 328 version that has a cable is the 208 Turbo version and its only because it still uses the old F106 drivetrain (the one that goes back to the 208 GT4 days...) I installed the Evans clutch kit (the type with the little thrust disc in the center), it was the same style as the old one I removed. I have no problems or soreness using it and I'm not a big guy... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 505 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>>So, 99% of the clutch effort comes from the pressure plate. I guess I would get the newest one from a good known source, or from the dealer.<< Well not quite..more like 75%...changing the fulcrum angle also helps...but yes, ya gotta have the 4V PP. It should cost the same, I didn't even realize the old stuff was still around. It's also imperative that you clean out and relube the release shaft and have smooth operation on the collar. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 477 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hmm, Phil's 328 had a cable actuated clutch, not hydralics. I drove it and it was much lighter than my GT4 for sure. Last weekend, I helped a friend put in a new clutch and Pressure plate (and TO too) on his 1984 Euro 308QV. He bought the set from Evans, and it came with an old-style Pressure plate, which has the small flat plate at the center (and not the curved fingers at the center). When we were done, his clutch effort was as stiff as my GT4. What a bummer, it seems Evans sold him the wrong kit. Evans said that he got the latest style of Pressure Plate, which of course is wrong. So, 99% of the clutch effort comes from the pressure plate. I guess I would get the newest one from a good known source, or from the dealer. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 572 Registered: 3-2001 |
Could you send them to me as well. I appreciate it. [email protected] | ||
| Gerrit Visser (Gerritv)
Junior Member Username: Gerritv Post Number: 129 Registered: 6-2001 |
Stewart, I sent you two Service Bulletins (as PDF's), one for the pressure plate, one for the mechanism. David H: thanks for that URL, the simpler approach saves trying to get a new pedal assembly. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 415 Registered: 5-2001 |
Commander Chung, The 328 clutch is supposedly hydraulic, not cable operated, though they use similar disc, throw out bearing and pressure plate (so comparisons are not really fair). There is an update to the cable geometry used on later 308's, starting somewhere in the GTSi/GTBi series. The procedure was in a past Forza magazine and now posted on Tony Pallidino's website. www.modena-motors.com/Technical%20Articles.htm This was one of the few updates I never did to my previous 308, and wish I had. | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 363 Registered: 2-2002 |
Thanks Carl. That is good information. (I like when I hear about screw up's. Keeps me from falling into the same trap.) And, doing the clutch is so very easy in these cars........... Just have to remove the back wheel. .... .... ..... ... My friends would argue with me though. They think that a Porsche 5-speed is the easiest. Hey Stewart ,, you in the Navy . I served my time in there also. MM1(SS)ELT | ||
| Carl Rose (Carl_rose)
Junior Member Username: Carl_rose Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Stewart, Did you have the pressure plate replaced? If they used a "rebuilt" as opposed to a "new" pressure plate this is a common problem. Apparently the rebuilder folks use heavier springs than OEM. Unfortunately, only remedy is to diassemble & replace with original parts. Good luck to you, Carl | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 498 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes Ferrari changed geometry...however the 4V Pressure Plate requires ALOT less pedal effort with the same clamping force of the early Press.Plates., sounds like the T/O bearing shaft improperly serviced/lubricated or someone used an Old Outdated PP or both. | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
Junior Member Username: Navygakman Post Number: 79 Registered: 2-2002 |
My clutch is VERY heavy after the overhaul. I damn near exhausted myself after some back and forth maneuvers in a parking garage!! Someone had told me that in later years Ferrari had changed the geometry of the clutch pull mechanism to lighten the effort of the clutch. Can anyone shed some light on this? I drove Dave Handa's 328 the other week and it was "a dream" to drive, in particular the clutch was a LOT lighter than mine. |