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Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member
Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 142
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 6:37 pm: | |
I still don't know how you could do this service with the engine in the car. Each time I done one of these jobs I remove the engine. Frist off it is very easy to do. Second I can't see how you could remove the timing belts (or belt in the case of the 348) with out loosing off the crank pulley. If the service was done inside the car,they must have relly tugged and folded the belt to get it in behind the pully,and as you guys know this could cause serious damage to the belt. Also how could you change or inspect the idler bearings and water pump propperly? |
Reiner Kaiser (Reinerkaiser)
New member
Username: Reinerkaiser
Post Number: 41
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:05 am: | |
the engine-out topic seems to be coming up once
in a while on this list. I did do this myself on my 348,
the car was actually designed for this to be no
big deal at all, and I guess Ferrari labor
is so expensive that it becomes one...
Anyways, I considered doing it with engine in,
but it is very difficult to access the cogs
and make sure all marks and measurements are
correct. Even without a lift, I found that it
was actually quite easy to do. |
Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member
Username: Boozy
Post Number: 243
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 10:51 am: | |
When I bought my 348 I looked at one which the owner did his own service. He never had the engine out. He just did the belt and changed his own oil. Imagine a cartoon running sound and door slamming. If you want any resale value you had better let the dealer have their way with you. It'll cost ya but it will be done properly. |
Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member
Username: Hardtop
Post Number: 382
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 10:33 am: | |
Removing the fuel tank is no piece of cake either. My mechanic said the main problem is even with the fuel tank out, you can't change the idler bearings, if I remember right. Might as well take it out, take care of all problems and potential problems and not worry.
Dave |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 8:53 am: | |
Why not just drop then engine? It seems like a more complete service can be done. Why just change the timing belts when the whole rear sub assembly can be looked at and cleaned? Seems stupid to take this shortcut.
There is never enough time to do it right the first time but there is always time to redo it. |
JRV (Jrvall)
Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 518
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 8:46 am: | |
>>Have any of you guys out there changed the timing belt on a 348 by removing the fuel tank? Wonder what sort of job that is,<<
Ferrari's are very unforgiving (long term) to being tricked and recieving Sub-Standard Attention in my experience.
FYI....'Trix' have a much shorter life span and a far worse success rate than comprehensive service & repairs. That's why they say "Trix are for Kids". |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member
Username: Airbarton
Post Number: 97
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 8:02 am: | |
I would also like to know about dropping the fuel tank. Sounds like it might be possible to do the timming belt myself! |
Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member
Username: Dapper
Post Number: 439
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 1:58 am: | |
Have any of you guys out there changed the timing belt on a 348 by removing the fuel tank? Wonder what sort of job that is, how fiddly. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 278
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 3:46 pm: | |
In addition, the major service opens up the vavle covers and checks the clearances for the cam to tappets and adjustments are made to reestablish the gemoetry and to retime the cams to the new belts. The heads are retorqued, and all the water seals get looked at and fixed as needed. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 1638
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 12:11 pm: | |
The timing belt on my 1994 348 Spider was changed at Shelton without engine removal. Shelton removed the fuel tank to do the job. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member
Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 131
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 5:58 pm: | |
To do the the Timing belts,replace the water pump,change the front crank seal,etc..the engine must be dropped out of the car. There is no access panel on the 348,355 cars because behined the driver is the fuel tank. Even if you remove the fuel tank you could not do the timing belts because you have to loosen off the crank pulley and pull it forward so the timing belts can be removed from the lowwer timing belt drive gears.
There is not enough room in the car to do this. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 2345
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 5:02 pm: | |
The timing belts, water pump and other major accessories are right up against the firewall in the engine bay (yes, right behind the driver). Since these items need frequent servicing and the firewall is not removable, the engine must be dropped out. FYI: the 288 GTO, the F40, Mondial "t" and the 360 Modena all have access panels/removable firewalls to service the above-mentioned items.
The 355 you saw probably was having its clutch replaced. The bumper and I think the tail-light panel needs to be removed for access. |
James Angle (Jimangle)
New member
Username: Jimangle
Post Number: 15
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2003 - 4:43 pm: | |
Why do you need to pull the engine out of these cars in order to do the service? Is it because there is no room in order to change the belts, or is it something else? I saw a 355 in the shop and a service was being performed on it, the entire rear section of the car had been removed. I wonder if that's what the dealer does, instead of removing the engine for a 30k service. Would that be easier? Or are the belts located behind the driver postion? |