| Author | Message | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2352 Registered: 12-2000 |
I wonder if the GT4's different clutch-linkage plays a role in the use of these Evans' kits, because I've got one of his in my car and don't have a problem with it (just slightly heavier than the clutch in my Plymouth Colt!). | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 164 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jay, I think the clutch assemblies George Evans sell are probably the older and not as desireable clutches thats why he gets them at a good price and sells them at a good price. Cant beat $300.00 for pressure plate, clutch disc, throw out bearing and pilot bushing. I can live with the heavier pedal pressure. Looking at the positive side, some people pay health clubs to use equipment to strengthen their legs. I can build up my leg muscle and have fun driving the car. Hmmmm, will I eventually have my left leg bigger and stronger than my right and walk with a limp.  | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 929 Registered: 10-2001 |
James, I've heard the same thing from many other people, that's why I paid twice as much for an OE "AP" clutch. I'm positive that the clutch kits being sold on ebay and elsewhere are simply clutches that will "fit" the 308 but are made for other cars. | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 163 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ok, this is the scoope on the clutch set I got from George Evans. On Ebay, he states the clutch is a Valeo clutch set. He also states its the ones used on the 328's but can also be used on 308's. According to his ad, the pressure plate gives more gripping pressure but has less pedal pressure. The pressure plate I received from George was a Borg and Beck. When I called him and asked him why I got a Borg and Beck instead of a Valeo clutch assembly, he said the clutches were all made by one manufacturer and are just stamped with different names. He also said this is the only clutch assembly now made for the 328's and 308's. After installing the clutch with help from Mitchell, he test drove the car. According to Mitchell, the pedal pressure was the same as his GT4. When I drove it, I have to admit, the pedal pressure is a lot greater on the 308 than on my 328. Before I bought the 328, it had a new clutch installed. I dont know which clutch was installed on the 328, but it sure feels a lot better than the new one we installed on the 308. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 715 Registered: 4-2002 |
Oh, yeah. Forgot to mention that I bought a Borg & Beck PP, disc, and TO bearing from George Evans for $300. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 927 Registered: 10-2001 |
Steve, that's what I thought! People always looked at me funny when I'd say it and then I started second guessing myself. | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 261 Registered: 2-2001 |
Got it Jay. Try this site http://www.power-on-wheels.co.uk/Frames/ap_borg___beck.html and you'll find that AP Borg&Beck is the company that produces clutches and other power transmision parts. I think this should solve it. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 926 Registered: 10-2001 |
Steve, on an original Ferrari clutch it says "Borg and Beck" on one side and then has an "AP" stamped on it. From what I've been told AP is the British manufacturer of the clutch and "Borg and Beck" is the way the clutch works or the style (how it clamps and how the fingers work). This discussion has come up before with no resolution. Inquiring minds want to know... | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 259 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jay Borg&Beck is a manufacture of clutches and PP.They have been the predominate source for as long as I can remember for these parts. In fact my 1st car (1959 Triumph TR3) had a B&B clutch in it.I don't know what the AP . | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 923 Registered: 10-2001 |
David from what I've heard I would only use the original equipment AP made Borg and Beck unit. Correct me if I'm wrong but "Borg and Beck" is the "style" or "Type" of clutch while "AP" is the manufacturer. I'd rather spend a little more on a OE clutch rather than have to pay twice when the aftermarket ones fail and then replace it. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 475 Registered: 5-2001 |
Based on Mitchell Lee's friend's experience related in the '308 clutch effort' thread, I'd call TRutlands or Nick of Nick's Forza instead of George Evans. Of course, maybe George was just having an off day... | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 709 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave: Call George Evans and ask. He runs a large exotic car repair shop. I've seen both brands offered by him, if I remember correctly. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 419 Registered: 5-2001 |
BTW, what are the differences between Borg & Beck and Valeo? I think someone once said the B&B is oem, and the Valeo is aftermarket, at least on the 308/328 series. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 418 Registered: 5-2001 |
So what are all the various options? I have heard that the Daytona pressure plate and disc fit...what were the various changes made to the disc and plate up to the 328? I see the ads on Eby for "latest 328 clutch, upgrade your 308"...what wast the difference? Or was there any between the QV and 328? |