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Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 290
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 3:59 pm: | |
My comment needs clairification:
I got 4000 total miles including 8 track days on a set of S02s (no spins).
I got 12000 total miles on a set of rear S02s that never saw the track. (same suspension alignments) |
Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member
Username: Kennedy
Post Number: 164
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 1:39 pm: | |
I largely agree with Mitch. I have SO3's on my M3 and my 911... they perform great in the dry and incredibly in the wet... making them great for the street. I have V700's on my 360, which I often take to the track and try to never drive in the rain.
However, contrary to Mitch's comments, you can get more mileage out of both tires... depends upon how much track driving you do and the nature of the track (concrete or asphalt). I typically get about 3000 miles out of my V700's, where 1/3 is track, 1/3 is driving to/from track, and 1/3 is other driving on the street.
I am considering trying a set of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires next... haven't found any direct feedback on them, though. I haven't been as impressed with the ECSTA V700's as the old Victoracers. I hear Kumho is making another change in the not too distant future... if so, I'll definitely give it a try.
But with all that said, let me stress: stay on street tires as long as you can... you'll learn much faster that way... and it'll help keep your Ferrari safe. When you get to where you're eating through the streets in a single track weekend, you'll know its time for R compound tires.
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gian maria traversone (Giamma)
New member
Username: Giamma
Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 7:45 pm: | |
well Mitch, thank you so much for sharing your knoledge on this matter, I will definitly take a look at your recomendations.You were very helpful. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 276
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 3:39 pm: | |
I consider the "maxPerformance" streetable tires the best tires for learning to drive you car on the track. Bridgestone S03's are excellent*. After you scrub off a few sets of tires, find out that your brake pads need an upgrade, and get passed into the blue and/or red run groups, then you might want to consider the shaved street legal raceing tires like Kuhmos,... On a set of S03's you should get around 8 days at the track plus 4000 miles of street driving. On a set of Kuhmo V700 you might get 3 track days and 1000 miles on the street.
Put a professional driver in you Modena, and I would bet that he could out drive 75% of those on full racing slicks, and 90% of those on street legal racing tires. Make yourself faster, Learn to drive the car really well before considering how to make the car faster.
One thing to watch out for, as the tire grip goes up, so does the roll in turns and the heat in the braking system. Increasing roll may put your suspension into a less optimal geometry and require either more camber and a touch more rear toe, or require lower stiffer springs or antiroll bars with appropriate shocks. For any reasonable driving distances challange springs and shocks are (ahem) not road worthy.
Brakes that are marginal on street tires will become toast on real racing rubber, you will need higher temp pads, and religious flushing of the brake fluids and clutch fluids.
*B S03s are so much superior to the S02s I took off the car that it still makes my head spin. These tires are eqivalent to the other max performance streetable tires exept in cost. See tirerack for reviews and details. Kuhmos are only streetable in the sense you can (with out undue safety hazzard to yourself and others) drive to the track and back on them. I would not use them for regular street driving. You may if you desire. |
gian maria traversone (Giamma)
New member
Username: Giamma
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 2:12 pm: | |
well, I was not thinking about slicks but something closer to it than the Bridg. Potenza. The Potenza, like you said, to have few laps and have fun the are OK, but I was thinking on getting a new set just for the track, maybe with the rings. What do you think? |
Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1844
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 1:55 pm: | |
Its better to learn on street tires than on slicks. They are more forgiving and break away more lineraly than race tires, which tend to snap loose without much warning. |
gian maria traversone (Giamma)
New member
Username: Giamma
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 1:37 pm: | |
Hi, I would like to take my 360 modena more often to the track, but the stock tires are not great for the track plus the run out easly. Does anybody knows about a racing tire brand that would fit the ring and that is not extremly expensive? |
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