| Author | Message | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 116 Registered: 5-2001 |
That would be great if you send it to me. I will meausre it then add it my "Museum of interesting valve seals". Again anyone wanting to change valve seals with the motor in the car is welcome to e-mail and use the tool I made. | ||
| Tommy Anastasiou (Tommya)
New member Username: Tommya Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ben, Really good job. I do have to make some corrections. The original seals I was told they are of NBR ( NITRO ) material and not teflon. The BMW seals that will fit the valves are the same as 95 BMW 7 & 5 including M5 & V12 not 85. I don't know yet if they will fit the 2 or 4V. I have to get the size from the MFR. I do have 1 sample. if you wish I could send it to you to compare. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 115 Registered: 5-2001 |
Way to go Han's, I bet your right. I just looked up valve guilds and they have different sizes for 2v and 4v motors. It would make sence the seals may be different. BTW - These seals went on a 2v motor | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 782 Registered: 4-2002 |
I'm wondering if the confusion regarding the BMW seals might depend upon whether you're doing a Ferrari 2V or 4V engine. Could the 4V have smaller guides/stems? Irrelevant question in my case. My car is so old that I suspect that the guides are made of granite. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 114 Registered: 5-2001 |
My motor is still in the car, and I have already removed all the springs. I just used a compression tester hooked to my aircompressor to hold the valves in place. Then before I went to the next set of valves, I pushed on the M5 seals, because they are so tight they hold the valve in place. You can do just 2 valves at a time, but i was waiting for the seals to come in, so wanted my motor as ready as possible. Anyhow, to compress the springs, I made a tool that bolts onto the head. It fits very well on the rear bank also. Its not a pretty tool since my welder was running out of gas, but it works. Anyone is more then welcome to use it after I get my car back together this weekend | ||
| stacy o'blenes (Stacy)
Junior Member Username: Stacy Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ben. Are you doing the seals with the engine in the car? How is that working out? What kinf of procedure /tool did you use to get the keepers/springs off and prevent the valve from falling. Thanks | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 113 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ok, here is the valve seal latest. First look at the 3 top seals, The 3 top seals are all the same. The left is a new teflon seal, the middle is a broken new seal, and the right is an old teflon seal. These seals new have a .391 lower dia. The valve guild its self is around .425, so its a very tight fit. As you can see it is so tight getting the seals to fit is difficult causing them to break and tear as in the middle top seal. Teflon is more like a plastic and doesnt seal well. Looking at the old teflon seal, it has a lower dia that is around .425 which is the same as the guild, also the valve and the inside top dia of the seal were the same. This tells us the the teflon will stretch and not return to its oringal size.The teflon seals on my car leaked both through the valve stems and where the seals hugged the valveguild. Ok now for the the 3 bottom seals. The left is an 85 to 88 BMW M5 seal. This is what several people said will fit. This is a red one but the green one(not shown) is the same seal. They MIGHT fit with alot of work, but really the seal is too small. First, even if you could get it on, this seal is for 7mm valves. Using this seal will stretch the rubber too far and cause the seal to leak in the future Its not a good idea to use it. Next is the seal I found at a valve seal company. It is made for 8mm valves, made from a Viton material, and has a spring to complete its seal on the valve. Also this seal has rubber on the inside for a good fit on the valve guild. This is a perfect seal. The detroit seal on the right also fit, but it has a metal base casting to seal against the valve guild, its a good second choice seal. The total cost for 16 seals came to 25$ with shipping and tax. The company is only supposed to sell to a business, so I might suggest that someone buys a bunch at once then sell them to people here. If anyone has interest in this you can e-mail me for the phone number and part #.  | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 112 Registered: 5-2001 |
I just sent 15 tach adapters out a few weeks ago on my database. I guess I must of missed your address. E-mail it to [email protected] and i will ship you one out the same day. Let me know what color you want it, I have red,black,yellow,orange,green,and white ones.  | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 372 Registered: 4-2002 |
Uhhhhhh Ben, different topic, but did you ever ship out the tach adaptors for your distributor conversion? Im still waiting for mine. Need to get the tack back to reading correctly. Drop me a line if you need contact info for shipping. Terry [email protected] | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 111 Registered: 5-2001 |
Just to let everyone know. I just got both the BMW seals and the Detroitdiesel seals. I will try them tonight. I will let everyone know the outcome | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2378 Registered: 12-2000 |
Why should you be flamed for using a non-Ferrari seal? Hey dude, that's what this thread is about! If you've had success with it, then its another choice we have... | ||
| Matt Morgan (Kermit)
Junior Member Username: Kermit Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2001 |
OK, everyone take a shot at me for this one: I have used Harley Evolution motor seals (steel shell, rubber seal) with great sucess. they fit like stock. The HD ones seem to handle heat better, perhaps due to the V2 being an air cooled motor. | ||
| Drew Kelley (Drew)
New member Username: Drew Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2003 |
Go to your local NAPA store and ask them for DANA VS52 valveseals. These are the Viton replacements for the original Perfect Circle teflon seals (also made by DANA). | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 542 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>with DD seals and a baldwin filter you can turn your f-car into a truck << LOL | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2310 Registered: 9-2001 |
let us know which ones work, with DD seals and a baldwin filter you can turn your f-car into a truck | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 110 Registered: 5-2001 |
Never mind everyone. I finanly talked that company into selling me the good Viton seals. But they said the BMW wont fit its too small, so they are sending me 2 types. Because Im stubborn they are sending the BMW seals and seals for a Detroit Diesel that they say will fit the ferrari. Wow are the seals cheap, eveything with tax and shipping came to 25$ | ||
| Tommy Anastasiou (Tommya)
New member Username: Tommya Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ben, Get in touch with me directly as I can help. Tommy A | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2001 |
I tried all the M series seals, the red and the green ones 84 to 90 and none worked  . I already saw the other treads. Its so strange the BMW dealer doesnt have the part because I called a Valve seal company, and they looked up a seal by the size. They said they had one that would fit, they said it a viton seal for a BMW but didnt know what model, just showed BMW only. I said I will take 16, but they can only sell to dealers. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 989 Registered: 12-2001 |
D'oh! Ill call the guy I got them from. I was "told" they were 85 M5 guide seals. They were green in color and nothing like the originals. Ill let you know what I find. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2243 Registered: 9-2001 |
not sure if you have checked these threads http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/149963.html http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/114993.html http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/55493.html seems like paul newman is the guy to speak to for further clarification | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 108 Registered: 5-2001 |
Someone said that the BMW seals would fit on a 308 2v motor. I finaly started the project of replacing the valve seals but the BMW seals dont fit. Does anyone know what BMW motor is was or the year. I have tried all the BMW M series and some others with no luck |