| Author | Message | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 165 Registered: 5-2001 |
It all comes down to preferance on the feel of the clutch pedal. We installed a clutch assembly from George Evans on my 308 and comparing it with the feel on my 328, I like the feel of the clutch on my 328. By the way, the clutch on the 328 is also new, but was installed just before I bought it, so I dont know where the clutch assembly was purchased from. Now, I also drive a Toyota PU daily with one of those so call soft clutch pedals and I woulds say the 328's pedal takes twice the pressure to depress it so even the "soft" feel of the 328 is not so soft. The 308 is even stiffer than that, kind of reminds me of the old hot rod days with the Zoom or Hayes clutches. Cant beat the price George Evans is asking for his clutches. $300.00 for a new pressure plate, clutch disk, throw out bearing and pilot bearing. | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
New member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2002 |
David, or anyone else... I have tried to find a website or phone number to subscribe to Forza Magazine, but cannot locate anything of relevance. Do you have a phone number or website or even a subscription card that I may use? Thanks, Ron | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 182 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hans I hear that! I cant take off well either in my NSX  sad to say the least that said I love the 328s feel...not to heavy not to light...irs just right, like if it was for baby bear  | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 753 Registered: 4-2002 |
That's what I mean by 'feel', Omar. These namby-pamby clutches like in most Jap cars and C5 Corvettes (altho not in the older ones) are feather light, and don't communicate well with the driver. I can't take off in a Jap car w/o jerking and/or stalling it. The F-car? I don't even need to touch the gas! The clutch is so communicative that I easily know when it is taking up. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 180 Registered: 9-2002 |
stiff? like on old bmw 6 series? (sorry its the only other manual car I ever drove save the nsx and 328) so its like you have to really 'kick it' to make it work? they got really heavy pedal feels like TRs (I heard they are heavy)? Is that what stiff means? Or is stiff like its an on off engagement? or is stiff what I am after I see jen love hewit? ;) but seriously, I hate on off pedals, like the NSX, I LOVE the way f-cars (at least my 328) really picks up and moves as you release teh pedal and you dont have to feather it/give it gas till the last second.... | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Junior Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 157 Registered: 8-2002 |
If you want the new style at a great price, email Joe and Elena at [email protected] They're Italian folks, and have great connections on imported parts. I bought the 328 style clutch kit for my 308/QV from them, very happy with it. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 749 Registered: 4-2002 |
Matt: Just call up George. Probably also not a bad idea to also have him throw in a pilot bearing (altho those are generic - you can get it at a bearing house), and a rear main seal. Mitchell: I LIKE the stiff clutch. More feel than those wimpy limp wrist clutches found in the likes of Corvettes and such. And I drink my beer from a dirty glass, so there! | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 490 Registered: 11-2001 |
George Evans... See a post about his clutch package 2 weeks ago. Summary: he sells the older clutch style (the 308GT4 Style) for all 308/328 series. The result is the 328/308QV ends up with much stiffer clutch pedal than OEM | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1380 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hans, If you ever want to sell let, let me know. i am due soon....very soon....like very soon. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 745 Registered: 4-2002 |
Omar: Yeah, I bought the $300 clutch. New (not rebuilt) AP Borg & Beck. Oh, BTW, I bought the clutch as I *thought* I was having clutch problems. Turned out to be in the linkage. Clutch is now sitting on the shelf together with the rest of the spare parts collection. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1371 Registered: 8-2002 |
Omar, I don't think you need a new clutch. Check the adjustments first. | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 144 Registered: 8-2002 |
You should be able to get another 10k on your clutch provided it has not been abused Your high pedal may also be due to your cable strech or just simple adjustment, I'd check all this first before spending on parts possibly not needed | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 173 Registered: 9-2002 |
wow thats really cheap....almost too good to be true! Anyone here deal with him before? also, aside from the Alignment tool, are these nessesary? Clutch Cable: #308cc $99.95 O-ring Kit: #ork $19.95 Pilot Bearing: #pb $34.95 Clutch Slave: #7867 $139.95 Rear Main Seal: #rms $49.95 //this looks to be, but I can;t comment on the rest Ring Nut, 328: #853 $42.95 | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 742 Registered: 4-2002 |
George Evans sell the OEM AP Borg & Beck PP, disk, and TO bearing for $300. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 172 Registered: 9-2002 |
thank you for the help, I thought that the fact that it is engaging high implies that the material has worn down quite far and thus its is engaging quite higher than normal. No it is not slipping at all...at least when the mat is not on the pedal at least (if you saw my desprate help post you know...:p) Is there a way to check the amount of 'meat' o the clutch w/out removing the entire tranny assembly?..sorta like brake pads you know? thnks again for the help. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 434 Registered: 5-2001 |
Omar, Italian Car Parts is NOT the best for prices on anything! I would call around further, and ask everyone what brand and model clutch parts they are providing. Check T.Rutlands, Sodacom, Ferrari Parts Exchange, Parts Source, etc. If you don't already, subscribe to Forza magazine, all the major parts houses advertise in there. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1366 Registered: 8-2002 |
Omar, You indicated that the clutch grabs high. On the 308 you can adjust the clutch. I do mine every 5,000 or so. I adjust it to Ferrari spec's with the proper freeplay and all. Does it slip while in gear? You might what to check the basic's before you start changing parts. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 171 Registered: 9-2002 |
I wanted to do it myself at my mechanic friend's garage....thats why I was wondering for parts needed, thanks for the info though | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 212 Registered: 2-2002 |
Omar: A new clutch should run you about $1,200 for parts and labor at $80 an hour. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 170 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hmm, i searched the archeives and it seems there is a mixed response to the prices. It seems the whole clutch kit from http://www.italiancarparts.com/clutches/clutches.html are they a good price, it seems they are the norm. BUT I wonder, I also read in the archeives that few special tools are also required, would the above kit do include that? also, when I get my clutch done, I am going to refinish my flywheel. BTW FYI my clutch is grabing fine. It engages very high up so I am thinking that it is near the end of its life. My car has ~16.5k miles on her with orginal clutch. I might as well do some preventive maintaince now. Opinions? is there a wholesaler that I should look at first? Since my clutch is more or less ok right now, if I just take it to my mech, can I have it simply refinished? thanks all for your help! |