| Author | Message | ||
| V.Z. (Ama328)
Junior Member Username: Ama328 Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2002 |
btw, at the time, Ferrari referred to the new suspension as 'anti-dive', so look for that if you get involved with researching the Mondial stuff. | ||
| V.Z. (Ama328)
Junior Member Username: Ama328 Post Number: 83 Registered: 11-2002 |
djmonk, could be a different kinda thing with the Mondial, as if memory serves, the Mondials were the first to acquire ABS(don't remember exactly when, but i think it was at least a couple yrs before 328 GTB/S). As a result, i don't know if the two ABS systems are identical or not. Also, from memory, I remember reading tidbits about the 'coming' suspension/ABS upgrades to the 328s(i was waiting to get a 328 GTB at the end of the model run, but before the 348 came online). However, i don't remember *anything* at all about suspension changes to the Mondial at the time. Also, seems the Mondial phased out in '88, so could be that there were *no* changes implemented late in the Mondial run. Lots of ifs/ands/buts/ors here, as this has been 14+ yrs since i was researching all of this. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Junior Member Username: Davem Post Number: 159 Registered: 1-2002 |
So does anyone here know how this translates to the Mondial line. I purchased a late 88 model yr. 2 months ago serial #78666 built in nov.88. It has the abs an convex wheels but im most interested to know if it has the suspension an steering mods talked about. | ||
| Marcelo Cosma (Mlmac)
New member Username: Mlmac Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dave328GTB: What model/size Speedlines do you have? I have an '87 GTS whose wheels I'd like to upgrade. The 2308SC or 2310SC wheels by SL Competition are very appealing. Thanks | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 447 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ton, Thinking about this dash thing...it could get involved...to really do it right means finding suitable (original looking) vinyl, and then recovering the whole dash, as doing just a portion, will not match the old material...probably a $2k job, easy...Probably better to follow Stephen's advice and find the exact car you are looking for...unless you have a good shop to do the work, and the owner will "deal" on the price... | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dave, So I guess I should not worry about the car getting wet! Is the dash easily repairable? Stephen, Thanks for the input. I currently am looking at an '89 GTS with 30000 miles and I have to compare it with an '87 with 12000 miles. That's difficult. | ||
| Stephen J. MacKellar (89gtb)
New member Username: 89gtb Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2002 |
If you don't need to 'price shop' and can afford the 'best' example you can find (I'd recommend the 89 with everything else being equal since it was the last of the series and therefore always preferrable). Don't be afraid of low or even really low mileage cars. I've had two 328s - an '88 with 6K miles when I sold it and now an '89 with less than 1K original miles and neither suffered from all the 'urban legend' horrow stories about being troublesome, leaking, etc. Bottom line - the 'best' car you buy now will be the least expensive in the long run. JMHO | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 445 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ferrari was late in starting a rustproofing program. They did not start rustproofing 308's until the 84 308 QV. I drove my 78 308GTS in the rain frequently anyway...no problem. I drive my 87 328 ALL the time in the rain without worry... The dash thing is not huge, you could offer a price difference to have a shop recover the dash properly. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2002 |
I have no idea how many miles I will drive in the car annualy. Some people scare me by saying that I should absolutely avoid rain (rust, damp, etc). I think that is not true. So the problem is the usual. Should I buy the latest (best) model or should I go for a low milage earlier model. The '89 model that I am considering has a build-in mobile phone unit screwed to the dash! I don't think that I should go for that car because it already annoys me. The other one is an '87 model with low milage. I will tell you more after I have seen it. Thanks for the inputs. Ton | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 329 Registered: 6-2002 |
Interesting that a few of you preferred the older wheels over the newer wheels...it was literally the decision maker for me...I thought I was just weird. Dave328GTB, I too would like to see your car with the speedlines...take a picture and post please. I wish everyone would post a picture of their car...it should be a requirement...it's fun to check out all your fellow ferraris TTG | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 394 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ton, I'm sorry I don't have any pics of the speedlines. A couple of other points.... I know many people do not think 89's should sell for as much as they do, but enough people are willing to pay extra to keep prices up. That is the market whether you agree with it or not. Like I said, I think GTB's should be worth more than GTS's, but they are not. That is the market. So, whether to pony up for an 89 is really just a personal evaluation. When I was in the market for a GTB, I was more than willing to take an earlier car, but most all of the low mileage, like new examples offered were 89's, so I bought one. Now that I have, I'm glad I did. I drive a lot and the improved brakes, suspension & steering is worth it to me. However, if I were to look for a show car that I was not going to drive much, an earlier car would be fine with me. I do think of my 89 as the last of a breed. It is the last Ferrari w/transverse mounted motor and a tubular chasis. It really is the end of the Dino design and construction. Last of the race car derived chasis. Last of the "cars you wear". I have toyed with the idea of getting a 206 also so that I would have the first and the last. Dave | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 956 Registered: 3-2001 |
Thx Alberto. Ton, go to the bottom of the thread below for 328 enhancements by VIN (thank you Dave328GTB). Then you can see some of the VINs by year in the owner's listings. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/169507.html | ||
| alberto bavai (Abavai)
New member Username: Abavai Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2002 |
Bobd, very beautiful car. I love the convex wheels. I love it with,blac/bourdeaux red/tan white/tan | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 955 Registered: 3-2001 |
Ton, my 328 is an '89 with the later wheels... pic is in my profile. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1453 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ferrari makes updates to the cars every year, making the car off the line far better then the first. Case in point are the window seals on the 456. in 95 they leaked like sives and were poor quality. By 1998 when they did a fix, they were awsome. the 89 328 is better (except for the abs wheels) then the 88 328 | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hmmmm..... it is difficult. So the '89 is the latest most upgraded version. But the differences with the older versions are not spectacular. Dave, Do you have any pictures of your wheels on the car? thanks, Ton | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 953 Registered: 3-2001 |
+++Is the '89 328 worth a couple of thousand $$$ more?+++ Ton, no. I would just buy the best one possible regardless of year. As mentioned below, I like the earlier wheels too... always have. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 393 Registered: 1-2002 |
Actually guys, I prefer the early style wheels too, so I bought a set of speedlines and went to 225 & 245 rubber. Helped both the aesthetics and handling a lot. Dave | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 440 Registered: 5-2001 |
I would have to agree with Todd, asthetics was the factor for me, didn't like the convex wheels. One shouldn't ignore the advantages of ABS though, regardless that the 89 328 version is early type ABS. | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 328 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ton, There are alot of words of wisdom here yet in the end you have to look at both cars to see what gets you excited. Mechanically the changes are not a drastic leap. I based my decision on individual car condition/history and the fact that the late model wheels just bothered me. I liked the earlier wheels (concave) better so I bought my 86. Good luck TTG | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1182 Registered: 7-2001 |
My '87 has no door handle gaskets and no 'horn' on the horn button. Tillmans car has has the horn, but no gaskets. | ||
| Carl Rose (Carl_rose)
Junior Member Username: Carl_rose Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Mr. Visser, Let's see - where do we start? 1986 first year. 1st edition outside mirrors. Concave wheels. First-version brake MC/reservoir & horn button. 1987 Similar. Think the brake MC changed configuration here. Outside door handle gaskets here? Horn button changed to version with small "horn" at 12 o'clock? 1988 (early) Rear tool bag tie-down removed. Doors interior pull changed to armrest. Second-design mirrors (with small rectangular logo)? 1988 (late) Suspension changes & convex wheels. Hood support moved to right front & didn't require button push to close. Clutch cable I think changed in here. Not sure if ABS was an option on US cars? 1989 ABS standard otherwise as late-88. Extra warning light on dash for ABS. 1989 cars are the "last of the series" and as such command about $5k more than earlier identical cars. GTB far more rare than GTS. Great if you like potential investment value, the wheel design, and ABS brakes, otherwise (my opinion) base decision on individual car condition/history. If you're serious about looking for 328 drop me a line: [email protected] just purchased about 2 months ago. Hope this helps somewhat,  Carl | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 392 Registered: 1-2002 |
Tom, I formerly had an 87 GTS and currently own an 89 GTB. Here's the lowdown. The big changes actually came late in the 88 model year (vin#76626 according to the parts manual.) The main change at that time is the suspension and steering. All the suspension, steering, brake components, and, of course, the wheels were changed. I don't know if the newer version handles better in objective terms, but it feels much more taut and better than the earlier cars. In addition, numerous other parts were changed including seat mechanisms, front bonnet, body stiffening, etc. In 89, ABS was added and the shocks were changed again. The layout under the front bonnet as well as the bonnet itself were greatly changed to accomadate the ABS controls. Also, the intake airbox and plumbing leading to it were changed. There are a few other minor updates as well. You should know that Ferrari was constantly updating various parts throughout the model run. Are the late 88's and 89's worth the extra? I think they are, or I wouldn't have one. However, 328's were great cars right out of the gate and I would not argue with someone who thinks the late ones are not worth the extra. There is actually a bigger difference drivingwise between GTB's and GTS's. IMO GTB's should be worth more, but the market says otherwise. Dave | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 273 Registered: 1-2002 |
Just kidding, they are all great. I think the 89 suspension is a little stronger, the abs is really not that big an issue except that it makes getting a replacement wheel is a real problem since they are a difficult item to come by. Others on this board know much more than me. However, the resale is higher since they are the last year for the 328 which makes the them a little more collectable. They are supposed to be the best year made. Most problems from earlier models were resolved by 89. That said, I think that the 328 is probably the most durable Ferrari to come down the line. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 94 Registered: 12-2002 |
I know about the ABS. That is the most obvious difference about the car. Nothing more? | ||
| alberto bavai (Abavai)
New member Username: Abavai Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2002 |
The 89 model abs brakes and convex wheels. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 93 Registered: 12-2002 |
Jscott, why? Ton | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 271 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yes! (of course, I may be a little prejudice) | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2002 |
If I remember correctly, the '89 had ABS brakes. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 90 Registered: 12-2002 |
Can someone please tell me what exactly the difference is between an '89 328 and the older versions. People tell so many different stories. Is the '89 328 worth a couple of thousand $$$ more? |