| Author | Message | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 104 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mike, Meeting up would be great. Having a good time finding various bits for the car right now. Some seem nearly impossible to source.... but thank goodness for the Internet :-) Maybe the FUN is in the chase :-) Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Junior Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 191 Registered: 8-2002 |
Steven: I'm in the SE, so I don't go to NE events, pretty much just Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia. But perhaps we'll meet someday nonetheless -- hope so! | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 172 Registered: 5-2001 |
Thanks for the info on the diaper. So how did you all deal with the installation of a catalytic converter on your Euro's. I had mine custom made, built into a stainless steel muffler. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 644 Registered: 10-2001 |
James, the Euro 308QV's did not have the diaper as it is so appropriately called here. If you look at the exhaust system, you'll notice the muffler system is also different between US and Euro. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 100 Registered: 4-2002 |
James, Some refer to that piece as the "diaper" and i believe the Euro did not have those. If you want one i have one for sale. Will be making a list soon of items for sale and post them in the sales section in a few days. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 171 Registered: 5-2001 |
Since we are talking about Euro's, did the piece that covers the muffler come on the Euro's. Mine is missing it and the muffler is showing.  | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jeff and Mike, Please allow me to back up a bit. My intentions ARE NOT to get the car back to 100% original. Why would anyone TAKE AWAY performance and reliability in a sports car to get it back to original UNLESS there are legal circumstances (passing emission, etc.)? What i WANT to do is get the car to a standard that appeals to myself. Odds are others might enjoy the work and effort done. So yes Jeff, People's Choice is more to my liking. For me, what REALLY matters is that i love the car. This car is a dream come true in MANY aspects for MYSELF, not as a way to show off, get awards, or "get chicks". It is about THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE and how i can share my love of the road with others locally who may also enjoy the art/talent of the automobile and driving/racing. We all must admit the 308 is less than state-of-the-art in modern perforce aspects. If one truly wanted performance at this price level there are many choices out there, but i digress... The car will be my daily driver from Spring to Snow. (My apologies now for stepping up on the proverbial "soap box") The LAST THING i would EVER do is place a Ferrari in some museum-type stable (out to pasture as it were) just to win an award. She desires to run wild in the open air and bask in the glory of freedom. Where each drive is a joy... and to experience rapture in the many mountain roads here in New Hampshire. If Enzo meant his cars to be museum pieces he probably would not have put a working engine and transmission in his products. In the end my hopes are to have a nice example that appeals to me. A sports car that can be driven each and everyday come rain or shine )(or snow judging from the past few days :-) ). This reminds me of the gentleman who owns an F50 and drives her often. His F50 may be far from "concourse" standard, yet it is out there being enoyed as Enzo would have desired had he been alive today. Jeff, been VERY busy getting various bits for the car from all over the world. Will be $4k+ deep into her before spring. Might consider a full paint job come winter 2003. After taking quite an extensive look at her i have been carefully mapping out an appropriate plan of action. Mike, do you track your car or take her to NE events? Would be an honor to meet you at an event and learn from the pros. ALL help is ALWAYS appreciated as i have only begun to become an active member in the "Ferrari family" after decades of desire. Frankly, Jeff did the truly in-depth items while i am just continuing the excellent work he began. Enjoy The Music ("That's Amore' " right now with a few writer's embellishments) Steven R. Rochlin "(In Maranello where love is king When boy meets car here's what they say) When the Ferrari hits you eye like a big pizza pie That's amore' When the world seems to shine like an engine at red line That's amore' Engines will sing ting-a-ling-a-ling, ting-a-ling-a-ling And you'll sing "Vita bella" Hearts will play tippy-tippy-tay, tippy-tippy-tay Like a gay tarantella When the car make you drool just like a pasta fagiole That's amore' When you drive down the street with a Ferrari at your feet You're in love When you drive in a dream but you know you're not Dreaming signore Scuzza me, but you see, back in old Maranello city That's amore'..." | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Junior Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 206 Registered: 7-2002 |
You actually stand a fairly good chance. Look out for Charness................. | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Junior Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 205 Registered: 7-2002 |
Steve, Sonds like you're doing some great things! She deserves it. Ad on my friend. Mike is absolutely correct. But so are you! Sounds like you're continuing right where I left off. Go for "peoples choice"! You might not win the concourse, (no, make that you WON'T win the concourse), but you MIGHT just win "peoples choice"! You enjoy the ride! J | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Junior Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 190 Registered: 8-2002 |
Steven, as really nice as Jeff has made his car, understand that many of those changes and improvements will hurt you in true concours judging. For example, I don't think you really want to take off all those stainless steel braided hoses and go back to plain rubber. Well, if you do, I'll take those hoses you're removing! And as Tom D mentioned, the red trim in the engine compartment isn't correct either. Keep in mind that the visible upgrades will cost you 1 or 2 points in the engine category, probably a half to 1 point for the stainless steel brakelines, and 1 or 2 points in exhaust for the Tubi, and you'll also want to put the stock wheels back on -- with stock tire sizes. If you're interested in the full set of points breakdown for Ferrari concours, go to http://www.fca-se.org/concours.htm and check out "#6" | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 405 Registered: 10-2002 |
If it were only about saving the spare parts for the true owners, I wouldn't mind at all. But I have the feeling Ferrari has some other motifs one of them being to prevent rebodies. Oh well, time to give my Smithe lathe a good workout. ;-) | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 97 Registered: 4-2002 |
Andreas, Do you own a 288? If so, then i see no problem as you would have a VIN. If not, then i agree to save the parts for proper owners to restore their vehicle(s). Enjoy The Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 402 Registered: 10-2002 |
Not that I tried, but that's whay I heard on another thread about GTO parts now avail from the UK source. So unless I find a good friend with a GTO willing to 'lend' me his VIN, I won't get it. And I guess they wouldn't think its funny if I gave them my 308 VIN... | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2002 |
BINGO: 8] #61383400 MOTIF GTO *TO CHASSIS NO ONLY* Unit price: �47.70 Quantity required: 1 PS: are you saying they demand you supply VIN before sending part??? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 401 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks. But short of a 288 GTO VIN I won't be able to get the GTO signs from that site. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2002 |
Andreas, On the Owners.ferrari.com website they have VINTAGE then PARTS section. It is the UK parts source. Here are the details to order it for your USA car: 16] #61121100 REAR MOTIF"QUATTROVALVOLE" OE=NLA Unit price: �26.10 Quantity required: 1 Contact Deatils: Ferrari UK Maranello Concessionaires Ltd. Thorpe Industrial Estate Egham Surrey TW20 8RJ Phone: +44 1784 486652 Fax: +44 1784 486656 e-mail: [email protected] ALWAYS glad to be of service. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin PS: GTO emblem for ???? Ferrari. Please specify and i will gladly locate for you. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steve, thanks, but no thanks. For the time being I'll live with my US bumper. You mention the easy to find emblems. I actually never found the 'quattrovalvole', everything else yes. Also never found a 'GTO' emblem. Would you know a place that has them? | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 94 Registered: 4-2002 |
PS: Jeff, will be giving the replaced parts (emblems) away as gifts or some type of door prize per se. Part of my plan is to offer rides in the car for local benefits. Say, $25 for a 15 minute or so ride and all proceeds go to whatever non-profit org. is sponsoring the event. Just trying to show good will as this may be the only chance the locals here ever see, let alone ride in a Ferrari. Share the experience, share the joy, spread the love... Forza Ferrari... Enjoy The Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jeff, Many thanks for the info my friend. Agreed, best to get new ones as they are relatively inexpensive. Also getting a new engine bay storage cover and other bits. Just continuing the great work where you left off :-) i relize she'll never be a perfect car, but with a few k investment she will be closer to new. Going to redo the seats with new hides. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Junior Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 204 Registered: 7-2002 |
Steve, The rear emblem should be a bright polish. On further inspection I think you'll find it to be dulled from years of "polishing". Get a new one. 308 and qv emblems are plastic. Get new ones if these do not satisfy you. They're just old. These are not glued, (I don't think). I've never actually removed them. The front emblem is correct for the Euro car. It is attached as factory did it, (they're most likely the ones who did!). Just kidding, I've had it off to clean and clean the front silver grill. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 92 Registered: 4-2002 |
Andreas, If you need new exhaust, "diaper" or the large metal bumper pieces as was added to make the Euro bumper to make it US spec let me know. Will be disposing of those parts shortly. Enjoy The Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 397 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steven, yes, mine is the US version through and through. That might be the difference about the front horse. Of course I also have the 'pleasure' of dealing with those humongous bumpers, arrgh! Love that engine shot of yours. Holy cow, one could eat off of it. Funny thing though: Mine doesn't say 'Ferrari', but 'Fiero'...  just kidding | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2002 |
Andreas and Tom, Andreas, nice photo and you are right in that i am referring to those three emblems. They are easy to find on the Internet for purchase. if you need sources please e-mail me. It seems as though you have the domestic (USA) version of the QV while i have the Euro. Wil check to see what is correct as far as the front emblem is concerned. Tom, thanks for the tips and agree some things are "over restored" with the car while changing the filter is easy. Will leave the engine mainly as is for the moment. Not looking for the ultimate car as far as "perfectly correct" is concerned, though for a few grand she should get closer to my hopoes all in all. Have a few months on my hands to restore her before spring/summer arrives. The car WILL BE a daily driver, yet want to be able to drive her to shows and just add some light detailing and enjoy. Not going to be hard core competitor, yet would like to take care of the easy bits now and learn from the judges what could be improved in the future. Enjoy The Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 396 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steven, not totally sure on this, but I believe the 308 never had a horse in the front. I added one to my QV, with glue that is and it looks better (I think), but it would be bad if Concourse winning is your goal. If your front horse uses screws all the better. I tried that approach, but was too hard in the end. So far the glue is holding... The rear emblem is a bright polish. The quattrovalvole is actually glued on and hard to remove. Tried mine and bent it actually. Wanted to replace it, but couldn't find it anywhere so I had to 'restore' it. You might also want to check out my profile picture. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2509 Registered: 9-2001 |
you might want to post some pics so people can see the particular items, just and FYI the B253 baldwin oil filter may cost you points in concours - it should be fram or UFI. Also some of the red on your engine might not be exactly stock and cost you point - even though it looks great | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hi Everyone, Am looking to bring my car to top form for some basic concourse shows. Have been looking at my rear Prancing Horse and other emblems. Is the rear emblem a bright polish or more a dull finish? Same with the "308" and "Quattrovalve" emblems. Noticed the "Quattrovalve emblem seems to be ?glued? to the car. Easy to remove... The front grill prancing horse was discussed here as bring ?glued" on, yet on my front grill it seems to be held on by two bolts. ALL help is ALWAYS appreciated as i want the car 100% correct as much as possible. Many thanks. Enjoy The Drive, Steven R. Rochlin |