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david handa (Davehanda)
Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 502
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 5:12 pm: | |
If you have the old style ceramic fuses, you should do the "fuse upgrade" and replace them all with Buse brand glass fuses with stainless steel ends. Before installing, clean the metal contacts with some contact cleaner, and bend the tabs in (gently) to ensure a tight fit. This is another of the tips from Tony Pallidino's website. |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member
Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 404
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 3:03 pm: | |
I agree with what you said about fuse appearance, Tommy. Last week, my brakelights, signals, and windows suddenly stopped working. I replaced the 16 amp fuse and everything worked again. The bad fuse looked fine, visually. It might very well have been the fuse installed at the factory almost 27 years ago!
I'll be getting a supply of new assorted amperage fuses as I'm wondering which one will be next. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member
Username: Vwalfa4re
Post Number: 505
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 10:10 pm: | |
Fuse appearances can trick you. Last weekend I spent an hour tracking wires with a meter after the electric radiator fan quit in my Alfa. I pulled the fuse and it looked perfect. Nothing made any sense. Finally I stuck the meter to each end of the fuse and it was bad. You would NEVER know it looking at it. |
Mark (Markg)
Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 387
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 4:08 pm: | |
DeMarzo - they WILL look fine....they just arn't. Mine had a crack in the porcelen that wasn't visable. Also these type of fuses can develoupe resistance from crud building up on the exposed fillament. Also...fuse block rivets may be causing a problem even if they look fine...try jumping the #3 fuel pump fuse for just a moment (not long enough to cause a short if you have other problems) and see if car starts. |
DeMarzo (Demarzo)
New member
Username: Demarzo
Post Number: 25
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 3:19 pm: | |
Checked all the fuses all look fine. Must be the fuel pump. If it's not one thing it's another. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member
Username: Vwalfa4re
Post Number: 501
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 10:28 pm: | |
It happened to me once in my 84. It was the fuel pump relay. Damn thing got hot as a firecracker too. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 946
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 9:28 am: | |
Fuel pumps can bind. |
Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member
Username: Kurtk328
Post Number: 186
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 8:20 am: | |
Jimangle, the 308 has a mechanical injection system - no computer like Motronic systems. |
James Angle (Jimangle)
New member
Username: Jimangle
Post Number: 30
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 1:05 am: | |
Your injection computer could have momentarily failed, which means the injectors stopped working momentarily, and in turn your car shuts off. Check connections to your computer first/or fuel injector(s). It could have been a freak thing. It may never happen again, or your computer will finally fail for good leaving you stranded somewhere. Usually when they start to fail (computers), they'll fail here and there. A fuel pump won't fail sparatically, it will just finally burn out. Or it should anyway.
I hope it helps.
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DeMarzo (Demarzo)
New member
Username: Demarzo
Post Number: 19
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 8:12 pm: | |
Still have not had a chance to check the fuses or hear the fuel pump. Will do this week sometime. thanks all. |
DeMarzo (Demarzo)
New member
Username: Demarzo
Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 8:10 pm: | |
It just shut off. No sputtering. one minute it's cursing the next it's coasting. The next starts right up no problem. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 945
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 3:50 pm: | |
Too many possibilities.With the key on did u hear the fuel pump? vapor lock is very possible i the 308 and i think it is my problem in an earlier post.However you said it died.Did it sputter out or just shut off? |
Erik R. K. Jonsson (Gamester)
Member
Username: Gamester
Post Number: 270
Registered: 11-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:02 pm: | |
The proper way to test an injected model for the fuel pump to run is to remove the "rollover" electrical plug attached to the fuel distributor. When it is removed the fuel pump will run(when the key is on.) The reason not to push down on the air plate is it injects fuel while the car isn't running(but yes you get to hear the fuel creep past the metering block.) |
Mark (Markg)
Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 381
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 9:51 am: | |
82 GTSi, same issue - fuse (cracked)and fuse box (at later date) was culprit. You can remove the fuel pump relay and jumper 30 to 57 I believe which by-passes the fuses and see if it starts. I actually added a togel switch to my dash that does the same by-pass in the event that problem re-occures (although I now have new fuse box). |
Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Junior Member
Username: Euro308guy
Post Number: 213
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 8:04 am: | |
DeMarzo,
Here's how to check the fuel pump in your injected car.
Remove the airbox cover, and the air filter.
Turn the key to the "on" position.
Press down gently on the air intake. You should hear the fuel pump begin to run. If it doesn't, well, there you go my friend. It is somewhere related to the fuel pump. Most likely the fuse or fuse block. I replaced the entire fuse panel in mine. It eliminated all those type problems. Best of luck. |
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member
Username: 4re308
Post Number: 765
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 7:36 am: | |
Demarzo, my 308 did the same thing about a month ago. My mechanic was there with me, he played with the fuses, cleaned the fuel pump relay fuse post in the box, and it fired right up. I am willing to bet that the problem lies with the fuse box.
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Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Member
Username: Lawrence
Post Number: 498
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 5:58 am: | |
Fuel pump relay? |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
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Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 665
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 6:43 pm: | |
Usually Vapor lock will happen after you turn the car off and go to restart. A loss of fuel pressure can cause this but that doesn't sound like your problem. (check valve, leaky injectors, bad accumulator) Check the fuseblock first. If it checks out there you can test the pump a few ways. You may first way to make sure that you are getting power to the pump at the terminals. (on the pump itself) On my FI 308 the pump doesn't turn on until the engine is turning over. I think if you unplug the harness on the back of the fuel metering device/fuel dist. it will let the pump run when the key is in the second position. Otherwise, remove your airfilter, turn the key to the 2nd position and slightly push down on the air flow plate. If you pump works you will hear a fairly loud buzz as you push it down. Anyway, I would wait until it happens again. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1911
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 6:07 pm: | |
I don't think so but I may be wrong. It's really hard to say without seeing the car. Being that the car was running at the time and then stopping sounds like a fuel starvation issue but who knows. Does the pump work before you fire it up? Do you hear a buzzzzzzzzzzzz from the driverside by the wheel? |
DeMarzo (Demarzo)
New member
Username: Demarzo
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 6:01 pm: | |
What about vapor lock? Ive heard of this happening before some where. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1907
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 5:56 pm: | |
$10 bucks it's the fuel pump. |
DeMarzo (Demarzo)
New member
Username: Demarzo
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 5:53 pm: | |
I get power, the engine turned, just didn't start. It's a 308 gtbi. Had plenty of fuel, the gauge was correct. I will check to fuse block. I get spark. I just took it out again. Now everything seems to be fine. I filled it with gas, only needed 5 gallons. Left it running, check tire presure and talk with a couple of young guys who loved my Fcar. This is why I drive and put up with all the problems. It had to be 20 minutes running at idle with no problem .Still the thought of going out again, keeps me on edge. Any other ideas or should I just wait for it to happen again |
Bill V (Doc)
Junior Member
Username: Doc
Post Number: 243
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 5:49 pm: | |
I had a similar experience w my '85 308. It turned out to be bad battery connections. The connectors had been on and off so many times in the past that one was actually out-of-round , so it couldn't be tightened. After replacing them, the problem never returned. Good luck! |
david handa (Davehanda)
Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 494
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 5:17 pm: | |
Yes, had the same thing happen; carb 308, and it was the fuse to the fuel pump was loose. Removed it, bent the tabs in a little closer so it fit tighter, and reinstalled. Easiest fix I ever had!
I figure out the problem by leaving the ignition key in the "ON" position and fiddling with all the fuses.... |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1894
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 5:00 pm: | |
Tom,
Good catch. |
Tom Jones (Ferrarioldman)
Junior Member
Username: Ferrarioldman
Post Number: 79
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 4:55 pm: | |
I have had a bad fuel pump fuse or fuse holder do the same thing. Might check your fuse block. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1892
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 4:53 pm: | |
GEEZ What's with all the 308 problems?
things to check
1. Do you get power from the battery? check the connections.
2. Fuel - do you have any? gauge wrong? Fuel pump stop working, does it buzz before you start the car?
3. Do you get spark at the plugs? |
DeMarzo (Demarzo)
New member
Username: Demarzo
Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 4:42 pm: | |
Anyone had a problem with their 308 just stopping while driving. after stopping, I let it set for about 5 minutes and it started right back up. Weird thing. Never happened to me before. I think I may of put to much oil the last change, could this of been the problem? or could it be something bigger. Thei thought of towing it home did not make me feel good either. |