| Author | Message | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2003 |
Gentlemen, Keep your engines clean. Especially the older engines. A little sludge will bend you right over. Take it from a martyr. I've been in touch with J. Patterson over at Norwood. I'm looking into moderate force induction with lc pistons, copper head gaskets, and stainless steel rings. I'll at least get it ready for Norwood's force induction. I often fantasize about a 400 h.p 3.2 Mondial Spider squirt'n round town. The affected head is being machined as I speak. It looks like the head/valve repair is not going to be as expensive as I thought. Whew! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2794 Registered: 9-2001 |
is the same guy who did the 30k doing this, I would be a little leary of that | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 515 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sorry to learn of your troubles with the engine. Was the car being driven regularly and allowed to warm up? We have had very cold weather so I stuff an old hat in the oil cooler duct on my 328. Otherwise the oil temperature gauge never gets off the lowest mark. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2003 |
It turned out to be a chunk of oily sludge that blocked the gallery coming out of the block. It froze the cam, journal was cooked. 8 bent intake valves, & guides. Pistons are fine. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 546 Registered: 1-2001 |
That's interesting with the oil.... Years ago I bought a Porsche 924 when they first came out and used Mobile 1. At the time it was 5W20 and after about 40K miles my cam journal seized and ruined the cam. When I took it apart, the buckets were spalled on the far end too. Ever since then, I am very cautious about 5W oil in my older cars. Some of the newer ones even run 0W but they were made for it... | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 19 Registered: 1-2003 |
I've heard of a common dry spot in the rear upper bank where the cam can get a little/dry causing excessive heat. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 18 Registered: 1-2003 |
I've heard of a common dry spot in the rear upper bank where the cam can get a little/dry causing excessive heat. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2003 |
Leonardo, The tensioner bearings were replaced at my most recent service among other things $$.. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2003 |
Verell, I don't think the cams were pulled. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2003 |
Craig, I ran 5-40 shell full synthetic | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 566 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kent, Am I reading your post right, a cam journal seized, locking up the cam. Truly a journal and not a cam belt tensioner bearing? Assuming it was a journal: When the 30K service was done, were the cams pulled? If so I'd suspect that a pair of journal caps got swapped, resulting in one of them putting excessive pressure on the cam. The journal caps are numbered & there are matching #s on the head. Another possibility is that a journal cap was put on backwards. If at all possible, check for this sort of thing. | ||
| Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
Junior Member Username: Lens Post Number: 242 Registered: 3-2001 |
Kent, Aren?t the bearings changed with the timing belts? | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 545 Registered: 1-2001 |
Kent... just out of curiousity, what kind of oil were you using? | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2003 |
Its turns out that a cam bearing failed. 7000 miles new. Cam seized, journal cooked. This is a new one. I had great oil pressure and no preceding noises. Time for a top end rebuild. Ouch! | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2003 |
Alberto, The battery is fine, the car still cranks and the starter works fine. It just won't fire up. It also sounds like the engine bogs when I crank it. I haven't cranked it since the squeel, I don't want to inflict more damage, in the event of a cam belt breakabe/slippage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the cam belt broke, wouldn't there be a broken metal type of sound? I would hear the valves & pistons shred away, right. Subjectively speaking, Kent. | ||
| Alberto (Aabreu)
Junior Member Username: Aabreu Post Number: 97 Registered: 9-2001 |
I read about something very similar to what happened to Kent happening to a 328 owner. In that case, the battery died. When the belt slips, it means the alternator (and other belt driven accessories) are not being turned like they are supposed to. I hope for your benefit that this is also the case with your car. Keep us posted, and good luck. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2003 |
My 3.2 Mondial(328 engine) just stopped running yesterday, 02/15/03. I have had the same squeeling at cold starts since I had my 30,000 major service done 2 months ago. 12/02. The squeel always went away after 20 seconds or so. This time I was driving at low rpms when I heard a very high pitched squeel come from the engine. I crushed the clutch and pulled over. It seemed to be fine at idle so I drove off. All was well for about a mile and then. Loud short squeel and the car died. A tow we go, back to my shop, tomorrow Ferrari of Vancouver. The suspense is killing me. | ||
| Kent R. DeAvilla (Lust4spyders)
New member Username: Lust4spyders Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2003 |
My 3.2 Mondial(328 engine) just stopped running yesterday, 02/15/03. I have had the same squeeling at cold starts since I had my 30,000 major service done 2 months ago. 12/02. The squeel always went away after 20 seconds or so. This time I was driving at low rpms when I heard a very high pitched squeel come from the engine. I crushed the clutch and pulled over. It seemed to be fine at idle so I drove off. All was well for about a mile and then. Loud short squeel and the car died. A tow we go, back to my shop, tomorrow Ferrari of Vancouver. The suspense is killing me. | ||
| Alberto (Aabreu)
Junior Member Username: Aabreu Post Number: 96 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have this problem as well, although it happens at much warmer climate (San Diego) and more and more often now. I am having them replaced (after two re-tightens). The mechanic is going to cover the labor, since they squealed since a week after the major. This means to me that it is not normal. The real problem is that if they slip enough, the belts will glaze and slip even more, which is where I am at. | ||
| Mark Collins (Markcollins)
Junior Member Username: Markcollins Post Number: 138 Registered: 7-2002 |
Used to get a ticking noise from my 328, it transpired that it was static electricty build up in the auxillary belts, no way to cure it other than replace them...least thats what the dealer said! | ||
| Thomas Saupe (Tom_s)
New member Username: Tom_s Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2003 |
One of the nicest things about Fchat is finding out you're not alone. I will now sleep better knowing that the noise that was worrying me in the cold weather is common and, at least it sounds like, an easy fix. | ||
| Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Member Username: Corsa Post Number: 315 Registered: 4-2001 |
I have that sound too. It's the AC-belt. My mech just conformed it. He will change it, then we'll see. Ciao Peter | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2003 Registered: 8-2002 |
John, one thing about these cars is that you will hear a new creak or funky sound almost every day. It the nature of the car. I agree about checking the belts though. Jack the car on the Pass side, take off the pass rear wheel and inner fender cover and check the alt and a/c belt while the car is cold to see if it is loose. Adjust as needed | ||
| Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member Username: Dbr328gtb Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mine did this as well in the cold for the first two years of ownership without negative effects. I got the belt tightened by my ferrari mechanic last year and this fixed it but it seems to be coming back.. I've heard this on other 328s in the cold. I think it is within normal limits. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 425 Registered: 1-2002 |
John, I would be willing to bet it is actually the ac belt. This seems common on 308's and 328's. Could be the ac bearings going bad too. In any event, don't lose sleep. DAve | ||
| john striegel (John328)
New member Username: John328 Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2003 |
THE 328 IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE 308, THE ONE THING THAT I DO NOTICE IS THE LOWER GEAR RATIO, IT ABOUT 500 MORE RPM IN HIGHER IN 5TH GEAR AT 70 MPH. I SEEM TO SHIFT MORE OFFEN | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1007 Registered: 3-2001 |
John, my 328 whines too only when it's cold and only for a few minutes. This has been brought up here before... many FChatters said it happens in their 328's too. BTW, I see you attended the Bruce Wellington school of typing.  Congrats on the 328... they're great cars! Post a pic in your profile! How does your 328 compare to your 308? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2678 Registered: 9-2001 |
others have this in the cold too - it can be the alt even with new alt belts, for the first few minutes the alt is under the most strain to recharge the battery and they whine | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Junior Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 218 Registered: 7-2002 |
My old 308 used to squeel just a bit between those rpms when cold for the first minute. I investigated and found a worn alternator belt. Just changed it and all is good. Hope this helps. | ||
| john striegel (John328)
New member Username: John328 Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2003 |
WHEN I START MY CAR UP DEAD COLD IN WEATHER THATS 45 DEG. OR LESS I GET SOME BELT NOISE FOR THE FIRST 3 MIN. OR SO, THIS HAPPENS BETWEEN 1,500 TO 2,000. RPM. THE CAM BELTS WHERE DONE APROX 3,500 MILES AGO. I HAVE ONLY OWNED THS CAR FOR TWO MONTHS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS NORMAL IN COLD WEATHER. |