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James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member
Username: Dr_ferrari
Post Number: 60
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 9:31 pm: | |
The Mondial t (which shares the same drivetrain and powerplant as the 348) had a service bulletin for hard start in which a relay control is added to power up the starter solinoid.
The kit to upgrade the starting system I believe is still available from Ferrari, but can be made up easily if not available.
I have used this upgrade to help with hard start problems on the eariler testarossa`s with great results and can be fitted to any Ferrari easily.
Best regards, Jim
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Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member
Username: Jh280774
Post Number: 343
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 5:06 am: | |
Alan,
Had the same problem over a year ago. Was at the official dealer for three times. Problems could be:
1. Ignition switch at the steering wheel
2. Starter itself (Not very often: Replace solenoid or install new one)
3. Not enough power at starter: Add a relay. Ferrari has one they put in exactly for this problem
This is off course just a summary of the things the others mentioned. Check out these cases and you will find the problem.
My official dealer first replaced the whole starter just to find out that this wasn�t the reason for not starting. At second visit they checked the relays and did some things they never really explained. Still not solving the problem. At third visit they were really beginning to be nervous since their inability to repair my car was slowly showing. Then they soldered something at the ignition switch, had some tin on my floor mat afterwards and they forgot a tape-roll there. Afterwards the problem was solved: Obviously the starter switch. A very minor repair. Still I had to pay for the new starter. The other repairs weren�t charged anymore.
Since then I never had any problems with starting hot anymore. One thing I know now too is that I rather go for a very good independent mechanic I know than to these inable guys.
Costs less and they are much better...
Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller |
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Junior Member
Username: Miltonian
Post Number: 179
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 2:37 am: | |
This is interesting. My 348 had/has the same problem. Sometimes when you turn the key, it just simply doesn't turn over. It DOES have power to the solenoid, but not enough to activate it. When this happened, I could always start it with a screwdriver across the starter terminals, hardly an elegant way to start a Ferrari!
I was going to replace the electrical portion of the ignition switch, until I found that you have to replace the entire ignition switch assembly AND purchase both door locks to get it.
So I rigged up a heavy-duty remote starter button, with wiring direct to the solenoid, and installed it in place of the cigarette lighter. Now, if the starter refuses to crank over, I turn the key to the ignition position, and press the button. It starts EVERY time with the button.
Someday I'll have to figure out where it's losing voltage, but I'm betting it's in the ignition switch. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 499
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 1:43 am: | |
The problem I found when I had my 348 not starting was that the input positive didn't have enough current to start the solenoid- it was less than 12v coming from the key so I added a relay with +12v input coming from the battery and it solved my starting problems for good. |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 210
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 8:02 pm: | |
Ehhnn...solonoid or solonoid wiring |
James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
New member
Username: Dr_ferrari
Post Number: 41
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 5:47 pm: | |
94 spider does not have the bullet type connector...
regards, jim |
Craig (Beachbum)
Junior Member
Username: Beachbum
Post Number: 65
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 4:14 am: | |
i know where the bullet connector is for the ground, is there another one on the positive side i havent seen? thanks |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member
Username: Airbarton
Post Number: 327
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 10:47 pm: | |
Alan, does it have the same bullet connectors between the battery and the starter as the TS? If so, this could be the problem. I had the same problem and solved it by eliminating the connectors. It was a very simple fix that cost less than $50. The next time it will not start try wiggling the connectors, if it starts, you found your problem. If it turns out that they are the problem, email me and I will give you a play by play of what I did. |
James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
New member
Username: Dr_ferrari
Post Number: 35
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 8:32 pm: | |
Alan,
the problem you are having is that the flywheel needs to be serviced.
When the 348 or mondial t engines "jerk while starting hot" the cause is the loss of lubricant for the fluid flywheel which is self balancing. whithout the lubricant, the flywheel does not balance properly, especially when the flywheel is hot(fluid in flywheel becomes too thin).
The repair is to remove and service the flywheel. this can be done at any ferrari dealer and the grease to repack the flywheel is still available from ferrari.
If your problem is only slow or no crank when hot, the connections are most probably at fault as Justin has stated.
Best regards, Jim -
If you need,I can do the repair as well. |
Justin Randall Kenyon (Kenyon)
Junior Member
Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 141
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 6:54 am: | |
Alan.
I had this problem with my maserati. OK when cold, problem when hot. What the problem is the wiring for earth and live main wires have been subjected to heat from the engine cause the wiring to become brittle and not allowing the correct current to pass through to the solenoid to turn the starter.
I removed my starter and had its wiring was replaced at a auto electrian garage. It cost me �25.00 sterling. Where a new starter costs �350.00 sterling. The main starter will be OK its to do with the solenoid. Trust me ...
Also they can test the starter for the fault. |
alan scragg (Spark)
New member
Username: Spark
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 12:46 am: | |
starter motor does not seem to engage properly when engine hot, can anybody help, car runs perfectly starts great when cold,its a 94 spider |