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Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 615
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 9:46 pm: | |
Yeah, a boxer is a different beast. Haven't worked with a boxer engine since I had an ageing Corvair Monza in the mid '70s.
While the V8's angled cylinders cause the oil to settle to the low side, cranking the engine over splashes it around quite a bit & blows it out the spark plug hole. The boxer would splash it around a fair amount to, but don't know if it would be sufficient. Probably better than doing nothing tho.
HMM,I've got this nice Walmart suction air sprayer I use for degreasing. Dip the pickup tube into oil & give each cyl. a mist of oil.
Problem would be that a fair amount of oil would spray back out all over everything.
Only other alternative I can think of would be to stick a WD-40 can't spray tube in & mist it.
Just some thoughts... |
Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 553
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 10:15 pm: | |
Verell: Thanks for the clarification. I'm learning something every day on this forum.
I was thinking about my 12 cyl boxer engines. This would take more than 15 minutes. squiting some oil in the cylinders is not practical, since all would only go to the bottom of the cylinder, due to the 180 degree shape. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 613
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 9:39 pm: | |
HenryK,
With the spark plugs out, there's no suction to move the air flow sensing plate & allow the fuel distributor to send fuel to the injectors. Thus it's not dumping fuel into the cylinders.
Also, with the plugs out there's no compression load while cranking, so less wear until the oil appears.
The whole thing is quick, probably only 15 minuites, most of which is pulling the plugs which you'd be replacing anyway wouldn't you?
re: 4 MO. VS 4 YR:
Oil drains out pretty fast. IMHO, there's very little left to drain after a month or two. Just what surface tension is holding in small places.
When I redid my timing drive last spring, I had a plastic pan under the sump area to catch the drips. The engine dripped like mad for about 2 weeks! Amazed me how much kept dripping out!
Then it slowed. dripped only maybe 1/2 cup the 3rd week, and about a tablespoon or 2 the next week or so. Never completely stopped, but it slowed way way down.
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Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 551
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 9:33 pm: | |
Verell: It seems that your technique would apply to a car stored for several years......but, one stored only four months? It just seems excessive to me.
Besides, by pulling the ignition fuses, you only stop the spark, not the fuel pumps. Do you really want all that fuel just dumping into the cylinders? |
Ronald Vallejo (Ron328)
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Username: Ron328
Post Number: 7
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 8:56 pm: | |
Hi all. For what it's worth, I was at John Apen's (a Ferrari collector from Atlanta, GA)
house last month...he told me if I haven't used my Ferrari for at least 2 months, to open the hood of the engine compartment before starting and have a fire extinguisher ready just in case. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 611
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 8:46 pm: | |
Ken,
You're right, oil will have drained out of cylinders/rings, seals, cam & main journals, possibly the oil filter, etc. You want to re-distribute the oil everywhere w/o the engine being under load. This same procedure works for newly rebuilt/repaired engines:
-Pull the spark plugs
- Give each cylinder a few squirts of oil, not more than a teaspoonful. Then lay a towel or something across the spark plug holes to chatch the oil that will be blown out when the engine is spun over.
- Pull the ignition fuses
- Crank the engine over until the oil pressure gauge indicates at least 1/3 to 1/2 normal pressure. (If the engine won't crank, re-install the ignition fuse & disconnect the hot (12V) lead TO the coils, NOT the coil output lead to the distributors.)
- Reinstall the ignition fuse & spark plugs
- Turn the key & it should fire right up.
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Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 544
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 11:00 am: | |
Philip: What do you mean by "cut the power to the coils"? If you mean that you disconnect the coil wires, then I would not agree with this method........your are now cranking 30-40 seconds of fuel into the cylinders.....not a good idea.
If one disconnects the coil, for any reason, and cranks the car, the coil should be grounded, or it will try ot overproduce voltaage, which is bad on the coil. |
Mark (Markg)
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Username: Markg
Post Number: 405
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 9:02 am: | |
My '82 GTSi fires right up after months of winter sitting - just need to charge battery! |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
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Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 176
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 7:26 am: | |
Like Hendryk, I cut the power to the coils and crank the car for a fair amount of time (probably a total of 30 - 40 seconds in several "bites") to get the oil circulating and the OP up. Add power, start her up.
On storage of more than 8 weeks or so, I add some Stabil to the fuel. |
Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 540
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:30 pm: | |
While I don't think it is necessary, if you REALLY want to be safe, disconnect the fuel pump fuses and crank the engine for 15-20 seconds, until the oil pressure gauge goes up. Then reconnect the fuses, and start the car. |
Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 539
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:25 pm: | |
Ken: I have been doing this yearly with my Ferraris stored, for the last 20 years: Charge the battery and start the car. Let it idle for while (not too long), and drive it slowly, until it warms up fully. Four months is not too long. |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
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Username: Kdross
Post Number: 276
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:20 pm: | |
I have not started my 308QV since November and the car has been in my garage since. Are there any special procedures that I need to follow to start the car for the first time from such a long sleep? The idea of starting an engine that hasn't had any oil flowing through it for 4 months makes me a little nervous. Thanks. |