| Author | Message | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1580 Registered: 1-2001 |
Jeff -- If you're in Maryland, you must be in a fairly strict/tested emission region. I'd get/know the facts from the Feds before discussing the issue further with FNA/dealers. I agree with the others that FNA and the dealers have every right to be more lenient with good customers so I'd only expect the legal minimum from them if you're not a former/regular client. Have you contacted the government body in your area responsible for emission testing for information on just what the car manufacturer's responsibilities are regarding the emission equipment? | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 108 Registered: 9-2002 |
Anyone have a contact name and number I could try? | ||
| Jonathan Garrett Donner (Jgd)
New member Username: Jgd Post Number: 22 Registered: 2-2003 |
Henryk, The tubing used in the manifold is extremely thin several large cracks from which material the broke off and then tubing actually collapesd in in several areas, I will take a digital Photo on Monday and Post | ||
| MarkM (Zan)
New member Username: Zan Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeff, You may want to push Ferrari harder, I'm third owner of my 355 and had no problems getting two manifolds and one cat. Although this is my third Ferrari and have a past relationship with the dealer. I think it is the service managers call and he may want to reserve this "perk" to regular customers. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 597 Registered: 8-2001 |
Johnathan: What do you mean by "collapsed" tube? I find it difficult to believe the tube is actually compressed.......how can this happen? Arthur: In my previous welding classes, it was often pointed out the fact that welded metal will crack.....but this was always due to improper welding. I find it hard to believe that a new piece of exhaust tubing can't be spliced in, with proper welding........unless the tubing itself is made of a very cheap material. | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 107 Registered: 9-2002 |
FNA said no dice on replacement since I am not the original owner.I am going to pick up the car and get another opinion. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1138 Registered: 6-2001 |
Do not weld a crack in these. Welding affects the metal, and without the means to properly heat treat them, they'll just crack again. Jon Kofod had his headers welded and they promptly cracked again. You need to replace them. Art | ||
| Jonathan Garrett Donner (Jgd)
New member Username: Jgd Post Number: 21 Registered: 2-2003 |
Ferrari NA Says it is under warranty and will replace! | ||
| Jonathan Garrett Donner (Jgd)
New member Username: Jgd Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2003 |
Update: We removed my exhaust manifold and opened the exterior casing to find 1 completely collapsed tube and 2 others showing signs of failure soon. (absolutley crappy construction by Ansa)FNA Says most likely under waranty, but will have to be replaced by Authorized dealer. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 594 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jeff: What specifically is wrong with the header, according to the dealer. If it is a crack, then it can easily be welded......you could be good for another 7700 miles......then check. Remember, it is to the dealers advantage to replace such an expensive part, rather than fix it......even if the problem is a minor one.....such as a small crack, just needing a quick weld. That is a lot of money, just for one header!!!!! | ||
| James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Dr_ferrari Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2002 |
Jeff, Just a note, yes they do know of the defect and they have changed the design of the air tube pipes making them much stronger. I have yet to see one of the newer type headers fail. I think I would as others have said, check the emission warranty, contact FNA and voice your opinion, the worst they can say is no. Best regards and good luck, Jim | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 106 Registered: 9-2002 |
Still waiting for an answer to see if FNA will cover it. Will post after I know. | ||
| Jonathan Garrett Donner (Jgd)
New member Username: Jgd Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hello all I have an Exhaust leak in one of the factory ansa manifolds on my 97 F355 is this covered by FNA? Thanks in Advance | ||
| MarkM (Zan)
New member Username: Zan Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2002 |
My local dealer told me headers warranteed for 7 years, Cats 8 yrs, from date of delivery. My 355 is a 1995, delivered 2/96, this past October they replaced both headers and one cat under warranty. | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'd agree with this idea, too. Otherwise, if the crack is at the auxilliary air injection manifold, it can be TIG welded, though may re-occur. $0.02  | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1552 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ouch! -- thanks for the information Jeff (I feared it was so). I know the service guys need to make a living too, but it does bother me when the parts costs get a little too far out of bounds. Along with the other suggestion (which is an outstanding $ value IMO if it's a true equivalent), I've seen a PAIR of 355 Tubi headers advertised for just $4400 retail (and maybe the Tubi sources here -- Manu, etc. could do even better) so it baffles me why an obviously knowledegable source like FoW wouldn't suggest them as an alternative if they're not making a considerable mark-up (i.e., I'm sure sometimes their parts supplier sticks it to them too ). Personally (if you're not a DIYer), I'd buy the manifold(s) (and the gaskets) myself and then contract a good independent to install it/them (doesn't even really need to be an experienced F independent IMO -- they're just freakin' exhaust pipes!). Good luck with the project... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2033 Registered: 9-2001 |
Steve, you can buy a set of Tubi headers for less than $3200.00 ! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2032 Registered: 9-2001 |
I would argue to FNA that headers are an emission related item so the factory warranty should be 80k miles per U.S. law if the cat. converter overheating is what caused thye header to crack. | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 101 Registered: 9-2002 |
Steve, that estmate is for one. Thanks for the info guys. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1116 Registered: 6-2001 |
Jeff: Here is qv's address: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/way/ycc34/qv/ Art | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1551 Registered: 1-2001 |
Jeff -- Was/is that $3200 + 8hr labor estimate for just replacing the one bad header or to replace both? | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 283 Registered: 2-2003 |
Art is correct. The header problem is a known defect; I heard that if asked, Ferrari were extending "courtesy" to owners with the corrosion problem. I even heard that they might help on the basis of an emissions warranty claim. Be persistent! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1113 Registered: 6-2001 |
Jeff: I recently had the same problem. There is a problem with the headers cracking. I would try to get them to call New Jersey and see if they can get you a new header under warranty. If you can't get them to help on that I went to QVLondon and they rebuild the headers. Cost is 441 pounds per side. I would not allow this to continue. The header has insulation around the pipe, and if you allow the leak, you run the risk of ruining the CATS and they are 3600 to replace. Yahoo search will give you the email address for QVLondon. Art | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 100 Registered: 9-2002 |
Havemy car in at Ferrari of Washington for an oil change and get a call saying I need 1 new header. I didn't even notice it was leaking but apparently it was. It is a 96 with 7700 miles and they tell me no warranty is still in effect. What would you guys recommend? Would you replace 1, or do you replace both and do you use a different kind or are the new ones from Ferrari a better quality. Also, do I just take there word on this or do I get another opinion? I just feel like I haven't noticed it and it hasn't bothered me so its hard to justify the 3200 plus 8hrs labor. |