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Chris F. (Chrisfromri)
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Friday, April 04, 2003 - 9:34 am:   

Greg,

Glad to pass on what I learned from my own 308 QV headlight exercise.

Kind Regards, Chris

PS: You might want to read my comments about servicing the metal can relays in the nearby thread asking about replacing the relays on a 308.
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 717
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 6:38 pm:   

Chris, thank you so much for pointing me to the pigtail connection. That was it! I took the connection apart and saw enough corrosion on the low-beam connection that caused concern. I cleaned both ends, applied some dielectric grease and she lit up.

I'll still swap all of the relays just so everything on the fuse-relay panel is new. I'll clean the other headlamp pigtail connection tomorrow.

Thanks again!
Chris F. (Chrisfromri)
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 1:08 pm:   

Greg,

The S2000 Roadster is loads of fun to drive. It handles very well, and has a very advanced engine. The clutch and gearbox are exceptional. The unusual twist is that it is designed to be driven at very high RPMs, since that is where it makes its power (9000 RPM redline). The low/mid RPM torque is rather light, and this is a problem for some people.

Test drive one for yourself and see if it's right for you. I think it's more fun to drive than everything out there under $55K (convertible Corvette, Boxster, Z Roadsters, etc.) so IMO it's a great value in the low $30K range. Certainly test drive those cars and others as well. When you take your S2000 test drive try to drive one that's broken in (600+ miles) and warmed up, then watch what happens when you are standing on the gas pedal between 6000 and 9000 RPM.

If you consider a used one, go for at least a 2002 (better ECU, sway bars, stereo, rear window).

One last thought is that fit is important. I am 5' 10" and 175 pounds and the S2000 fits me well. One reason I walked away from the 'vette was its loose fitting sloppy interior -- but if I were larger the 'vette might have been more interesting.

I use mine as an everyday driver on nice days.

Kind Regards, Chris
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 716
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 6:01 am:   

Chris, by the way, how do you like the S2000? Starting a search for a different daily driver car and the S2000 has always peaked my interest.
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 715
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 6:00 am:   

Chris, thank you for the tip. Over the last few days, I've replaced all of the fuses (they really needed it!), I've purchased all new relays which will get installed tonight. I will also check this second connector set. I'm coating everything with a dab of dielectric grease for protection. Worst case, I'll start with the multimeter this weekend and track it down from there.

Thanks for your help!
Chris F. (Chrisfromri)
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Post Number: 24
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Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 11:08 pm:   

On my 308 QV there is a second connector set under a black rubber boot about one foot back from the headlight bulb connector. I needed to remove the louver to get to it. Anyway, mine had a bad contact there for the low beam, but the high beam worked just fine. I tightened up the connectors and it was fixed.

Presumably, this second connector set is to allow the same basic wiring harness to be used for EU and US -- with only a change of the last foot pigtail for the different headlight connectors.

Kind Regards, Chris
"The Don" (Mlemus)
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Post Number: 3444
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 2:40 pm:   

Frank,

This is not funny anymore.

JRV and I have had our issues and believe it or not we worked it out. He is a good mechanic and is very helpful here. I too have had issues about taking my car back to the shop after it was worked on but never after a major and it never caused paint damage. FOA dropped the ball. Admit it and move on.
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Post Number: 2075
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 2:21 pm:   

Have JRV repair it and it will never fail again.
Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 10:48 am:   

Mark is right. If the high works then it is the connector on the back on the bulb. Use a wire brush and clean it good. If the ground was really bad then no high beams.
Mark (Markg)
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Username: Markg

Post Number: 420
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 9:23 am:   

Just a guess but if High beam works I would check wiring to low beam circuit on that side, may be lucky and just have a loose wire...
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
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Post Number: 553
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 6:29 am:   

Purchase a multimeter. It takes the hit and miss out of finding why electrical things don't work. Did you have a "Fun With Electricity Set" when you were a child?

My multimeter and 10 mm socket are two of the most frequently used tools on European cars.
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 712
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 5:54 am:   

I checked the ground wires last evening. Cleaned them but didn't apply any dieletric grease. I'm headed to Lowes at lunch so I'll pic some up. Barry, just so I cleaned the correct ground...there is a threaded post aft and to the right of the headlamp pod where 2+ leads are grounded...is that the correct ground?

Also, I checked the brights and they work, it's the dims that are still not operating. I've also got a complete set of new Bosch relays arriving Wednesday, maybe that will do the trick.

Thanks for your help.
Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
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Post Number: 189
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 12:27 am:   

Same exact thing a few weeks ago. I pull in the driveway at dusk with lights on and my wife comes outside to tell me one light is out. Check, clean, wire brush, and coat (with di-electric grease) the connectors going to the bulbs. Check the ground wires. Steve M and Dr. Tommy C called it and got it right.
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 709
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:58 am:   

Bill, both beams (lamps) are brand new. Both headlamps work in the passenger-side pod, but niether work in the drivers-side pod. I'll remove the grate that is aft of the headlight pod to see if I can find the ground connections. Thanks Carl for a clue for the ground wire.

I'll also be replacing all of the relays and fuses over the next couple of days.
Carl Rose (Carl_rose)
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:35 am:   

Hi Mr. Owens,

Others with more experience will be able to provide more specific reccomendations but I'll chime in for the interim. On my 328, the ground wire (? green) had a end eyelet held to chassis with small bolt just superior & lateral to the top outer corner of the bucket.

(this is from memory a few months back; alternatively you can use ohmmeter to check continuity between attaching bolt & known ground (negative battery terminal) to r/o etiology)

Hope this helps,
:-) Carl
Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
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Post Number: 451
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 6:51 am:   

I had a light go out and found it was a good fuse that was making poor conection in the box which was a new one on me.
Bill V (Doc)
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Post Number: 266
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 6:47 am:   

Greg--I don't where the grounds are located, but from your description that everything works except the lighting of one sealed beam unit, could it be that it's just a burned out beam?
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 708
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 5:35 am:   

Can anyone tell me where the ground is for each headlight?
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 707
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 9:14 pm:   

From the owners manual, there are relays that control the headlight pods. When the headlights are turned on, both pods go up, however, only the passenger side (right side) headlight functions.

I surmised that from the description of the relays, that if the relay was bad, the headlight pod would not operate, but it does. Only the headlight is not operating.

Can you tell me where ground is for either headlamp? I'll check that and I'll probably replace all of the relays. If I'm going to buy one, I might as well buy ten and know that everything has been replaced new.
"The Don" (Mlemus)
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Post Number: 3361
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:26 pm:   

Swap the relay, not the ground.
"The Don" (Mlemus)
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Post Number: 3360
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:25 pm:   

Each light has a ground.

Each light has it's own relay.

Swap them and see if that's it.
Bill V (Doc)
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Post Number: 265
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:21 pm:   

Greg--if each light has its own ground, it could possible be that , I would guess (?)
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Post Number: 706
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 5:55 pm:   

I did a search through the archives and wasn't able to find anything related. Last evening, my wife said the left-hand (drivers side) headlight wasn't working. No problem, change the headlamp bulb. Still didn't work. Checked the fuses...all of the appropriate fuses OK. There is a relay for external lights, but if that relay was bad, all external lights would be inoperable.

Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated.

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