| Author | Message | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 245 Registered: 5-2001 |
No I havent opened them lately. I had tested them in 1993 or so. It's completely possible they changed the design since then. | ||
| DJParks (Djparks)
Junior Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 137 Registered: 2-2003 |
The Chevron wholesaler(tank farm) in my town sells Baldwin filters for 10.00 + tax. DJ | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 590 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ben, Have you cut open a Fram recently? A few years ago, Fram went on the cheap and started using cardboard endcaps when the industry standard is metal. The rubber anti-drain back flap doesn't, at least in the 308 application. There was a website that posted a couple Frams from 308s, and showed that the filter elements had collapsed against the standpipe (loss of oil pressure) and the anti-drain back seals had failed. The owners posted them to warn people NOT to use the Fram in a 308/328/Mondial....the site is no longer available.. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 243 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have always liked Fram. When I was in the oil business, I had personaly tested many filters. One the junkest filters you can buy are are purolater's. The media with in it was 1/2 of the other brands. Fram on the other hand had very thick media's with in and usualy several layers. You can do the test yourself by cutting them open. At that time I didnt have a Ferrari so did have the chance to test a UFI filter. As far as the standpipe, I see now why you may not want to use the FramHp-1 for that reason, but other then that, they are an excelant design for filtration. Looking at the part the oil filter screws on to, there might be a way to modify it with a built in standpipe, then you could use any filter you wanted. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 309 Registered: 2-2002 |
I will never use a Fram. My car has a Fram when I purchased it. It took 5-10 seconds for the oil light to go out. With the UFI it now only takes 1-2 seconds. Ken | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1194 Registered: 12-2001 |
I wouldnt touch a fram with a 10 foot pole. I had the same drain back problem with an oil pressure delay on startup. The UFI fixed that. Ben, the standpipe is to stop drain back as long as that rubber anti-drain back flap does its job. The flap doesnt do what is supposed to on a 308 so fram might as well eliminate the standpipe to save a penny during production. | ||
| Dave (Parts_man_soda)
Junior Member Username: Parts_man_soda Post Number: 136 Registered: 8-2002 |
You can always use a Baldwin. www.sodacoms.com Look at my specials. | ||
| John Bicsak (Funshipone)
Junior Member Username: Funshipone Post Number: 195 Registered: 1-2002 |
I use a HP1 what is the problem with this filter? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1058 Registered: 4-2002 |
No, that's the problem! It was draining back and still had some left in it. The Baldwins don't do that. The oil stays in. Also, I get normal oil pressure much faster with the Baldwin .vs. the Fram. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2001 |
If the fram dripped then I guess it doesnt leak all the oil out  | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1053 Registered: 4-2002 |
I had to use a Fram in a pinch, and it dripped all over when I removed it. The Baldwins have never dripped when removed. Clean filter change. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1623 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ben M. -- There's a sketch in this thread showing how the standpipe works (or is supposed to work) in conjunction with the Anti-Drainback Valve to hold some additional oil inside the (inverted) oil filter case after shutoff: http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/19896.html I sentence you to do a search on "Standpipe"  ... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3159 Registered: 9-2001 |
I would not relocate the filter, if properly seated it should not leak and if you puncture it prior to changing you should not have any issues with oil spilling. I would agree that its placment is not ideal right above the clutch and related parts that do not take oil well | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 222 Registered: 5-2001 |
I never liked the oil filter location anyhow, I hate oil leaking all over the motor. I know fram makes some relocation kits, has anyone tried them? I think I will do some research and see if I can find a relocation kit that will work on the ferrari. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3156 Registered: 9-2001 |
the standpipe helps hold oil on the filter for a period of time after shut down | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2001 |
What is a standpipe? Why is the stand pipe important? I thought all it needed was that special seal in the bottom to keep the oil from exiting the filter. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2633 Registered: 12-2000 |
Peter, I don't know the specs off-hand, but the HP is a "High Performance" application, as it features better construction (compared to the rest of their normal filters) to handle heavy, racing loads (thicker canister shell, freer-flowing filtering medium, better gasket, etc...). It's recommended to be used in domestic racing/hi-po V-8's. But alas, it doesn't have the stand-pipe, so it shouldn't be used in a 308/328/Mondial/365 V-12. | ||
| Peter Polasek (Peterp)
Junior Member Username: Peterp Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ben, I don't think that the Fram HP1 has a standpipe and therefore isn't recommended for upside down mounting as in the F-cars (even though this is the filter listed for Ferrari in the Fram books). The Fram PH-2804 apparently has a standpipe from what I've read, but I've never seen one in stock to inspect. I was tempted with the HP1, thinking that HP meant that it was built stronger than the standard model, but I don't think it's a good choice without the standpipe. | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2002 |
Steve - recieved the later filter(2316201)on friday and fitted it yesterday. The later fiter does have a standpipe,and also no spotwelds under the sealing ring(read about them on a previous thread). When I removed the Fram that was fitted there was no oil in the filter(PH-2804). With the later UFI and new oil the oil pressure is better than ever. Thanks for you input. stevew | ||
| Heiko (Hgparts)
Junior Member Username: Hgparts Post Number: 57 Registered: 3-2003 |
hi i drive the champion oilfilter $8 sence a long time now cheap and works fine heiko hgparts | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1609 Registered: 1-2001 |
Steve w -- My mistake on the location issue (I usually check Profiles, but must have forgotten), and I assumed that you just had made a slight typo in your original post on the UFI PN, but based on that date you must have a 2310200 (which I still wouldn't use if that's the case) -- let us know the difference from a 2316201 when you have the two to compare (probably the standpipe - no standpipe issue). Sorry for the errors... | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2002 |
Steve The filter that I have been supplied has a date of the 13/6/02 on it.After reading all the past threads on the subject I have ordered the later filter to be on the safe side. I am based in the NW of England and cannot find a supply of Baldwins over here. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 208 Registered: 5-2001 |
Has anyone used the fram HP1 ? | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1608 Registered: 1-2001 |
Steve w -- Don't use the older UFI 2316200 (unless you do enough homework to tell the good version from the bad version). UFI made some design changes circa May 2000 that didn't work out, and, after many blown seal problems were reported, by May 2001 they had superceded the 2316200 with the (redesigned again) 2316201. The F PN that Jeff H. listed is the UFI 2316201, but the Baldwin B253 is still the way better overall value IMO -- do a search on "Baldwin". | ||
| Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk)
Junior Member Username: Ferrari_uk Post Number: 193 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi Stevew. We use 191993. This is a current part and we have stock. �18.10 w/VAT. JH | ||
| steve wilcox (Stevew)
New member Username: Stevew Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2002 |
I know this subject has been touched on many times,but could somebody let me know what the correct part number is for the UFI oil filter for the 308QV. I have been supplied a filter with part number 2310200,but have been told by another source that this is an old number and that the filter has been modified and uses part number 2316201. Can anyone point me in the right direction as I dont want to use the wrong part. |