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Message |
Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 2:54 pm: | |
Something must have broken off and become lodged between the disc and flywheel to cause such a sudden failure. The pilot bearing is too weak to cause such a episode. A spring loose in the disc is a possibility. It happens on Hondas on occasion. I would let the car run a while in neutral until the clutch gets hot from engine heat and then repeat the process before giving up however. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 2:37 pm: | |
Ok, I took Herb's recom. and tried to depress the clutch start in first, accelerate and decelerate. I live on a private road so I went all the way tp the end about an 1/8 mile and back. Even tried in reverse. Still is hung up....there is no doubt the disc must be hung to the flywheel...This does not seem to be releasing the disc....and I am not so sure pulling the car with the starter until it starts is such a good idea...so I guess the next thing is to pull this puppy out. I have alot of mechanical experience and this looks fairly easy can anyone give me info on removing this clutch?...it would be a lifesaver...and if anyone has another idea on getting it unhung...I am listening...............thanks everyone |
Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 11:47 am: | |
Your disc is stuck to the flywheel. You are going to have to start the car and let it pull you forward with the clutch depressed and accelerate and decelerate until it lets go. This will work, trust me. |
Low Kai Chin (Speeddemon)
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 6:01 am: | |
Robert, I'm not sure what is that part called, but in the linkage from the gear shift to the gearbox passing under the car, there is a bush which may get worn with age and cause the problem U have described. |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 10:58 pm: | |
Rob, Start with the simple potential problems first and work up to the big ones. That is always my theory. Given, all these theories have some validity but check the simple ones first. Sometimes we panic and go for the big problem first. |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 8:38 am: | |
Robert D. -- another problem that can create the symptoms you describe (shiftable with motor stopped, but not shiftable with motor running, and torque transmitted whether clutch disengaged or not) is if the pilot bearing in the end of the crankshaft isn't rotating freely anymore -- just another possibility... |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 7:07 am: | |
Ok thanks for the info, I will look for the inspection cover....I would try to drive in first gear but the problem is when you are cranking the car with the clutch depressed it is moving forward ( when in gear and will not shift if cranked in neutral)...I know this can't be good for the starter or anything else...like I said it was fine the day before...this is like something instant. Usually in the past on other cars you can tell when he clutch is going bad...the car gets driven at least once to twice a week so I could probaly rule out rust...I will keep you informed and thanks... |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:55 pm: | |
I agree Christian, I hope he can get by with an adjustment. It could go either way since he has not had any slippage. But who knows without a thorough inspection of the problem. Robert, Let us know what you find. |
Christiank (Christiank)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:37 pm: | |
It sure sounds like clutch and not adjustment of forks. Nick sells new clutches for a good price. Installation is found at http//www.expensivecar.com |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:32 pm: | |
Robert, You can also inspect the clutch by removing the inspection cover under the oil filter. When you are looking there and some one is depressing the clutch pedal, you should see the disc move somewhat. |
Ulf Modig (Ulf308qv)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:22 pm: | |
Robert,
The problem you describe might occur if the clutch disc is sticking to the flywheel and pressure plate (normally this happens when the car is sitting for extended periods due to rust build-up). I would drive the car in 1st gear and simultaneously depress the clutch and apply the brake pedal. /Ulf |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 10:09 pm: | |
Robert it sounds like from your description the clutch is not disengaging all the way. Have you tried adjusting the clevis rod at the clutch arm under the car on the drivers side. In your Owners Manual it covers this. Make sure your clutch pedal free travel is adequate. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 7:38 pm: | |
Something that may not be described well below is when I put it in reverse with the car off( or any gear) when I go to crank it in gear with the clutch depressed it starts moving as you crank the car. When I put it on the jackstands the clutch was depressed in first and the clutch was engaged as if it was locked up...you could not shift any gears, while car was running...looking under car the lever looks to be releasing all the way.........but the it does not act like the bearing is releasing when clutch pedal is depressed.........even though the arm looks to be moved forward all the way... |
David Harris (Dakharris)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 7:21 pm: | |
I had the same experience. My forks were out of alignment. No warning, other that what I now know was stiff shifting. I got stuck in second and when I finally got it out of gear, I had lost reverse and first. It went into gear, but the clutch did nothing. As I had only owned the car for about a month and was afraid that I might break the transmission by monkeying with it, I took it to Ferrari. They re-aligned it with about 6 hrs of labor and about $650 out of my wallet. They had to take the top and bottom off of the trans. to get it right. Whether you want to tackle this yourself depends on how brave or mechanically astute you are. FYI, I was just over 40K miles at the time. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 6:45 pm: | |
OK guys....heres a new one...my 82 308 gtbi now wants to test my love.....yesterday I pulled her out in the evening and cleaned her up real nice...this evening we went to go out to dinner. I cranked the car in neutral, let it warm up and went to put it in gear (reverse) and it ground gears and did not go, I then tried going to first and second, same response. I shut off the car and slid the shifter in reverse with clutch depressed and cranked the car...it went in reverse with cluth depressed. So I thought maybe the clutch cable broke. Jacked her up looked underneath and the cable is in tact, and works with the depressing and releasing or the pedal. I also checked the travel on the clutch arm travel seemed ok. I took and let some cable slack to make sure arm was releasing completely and it was. Cranked the car back up same response was not able to get into any gear with car running. When the car is shut off and put into gear and recranked it is engaged into gear. What I don't understand is how a clutch could be bad when I have had no slippage, worked fine yesterday, and worked well all past weekend. Does anybody have an answer? I have noticed that since this today the shifter when not running is having difficulties shifting gears, but not everytime. It seems sometime it will not go all the way into reverse and all the way into 5th.........then other times it will....Does this sound like a bad clutch? bearing or worse a tranny? please help.......... |