| Author | Message | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 412 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Edvar, I think the pics are great!' Also great respect for this guy, both for this technical "performance" as for his sense of humour with the S/N plate! :-D Jack | ||
| Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hi Jack! Not fantastic pics, but it's at least something. Pics were taken with a camcorder at the Ferrari Racing Days, Nurburgring, I think in 1999.     | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 390 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>>A special, Ferrari-made bellhousing. Mmmmm... $$$$$$$$$.... :-( Jack | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2728 Registered: 12-2000 |
Jack: "...Do you know if special modifications were made to the 'box to make it fit?" A special, Ferrari-made bellhousing. In fact, Jeff from FofUK showed one in one of his many pictures that he posted here... | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 381 Registered: 4-2003 |
Edvar, would be greatly appreciated if you could dig up those pics! Andrew-Phillip, Do you know if special modifications were made to the 'box to make it fit? Best, Jack | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2002 |
Jack if your stuck for a gearbox, the auto on the 400 and 412 was just the good ole gm unit thats fitted to old jag's rolls royces and just about every other large car in the 70's and 80's! | ||
| Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jack, in Germany there is a 365 GT/4 2+2 (chassisnumber 18559) with a 250 GTE body on it! I have some pictures somewhere ... | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 370 Registered: 4-2003 |
Exactly my idea Dave. If I do nothing, they will slowly return to ashes so it as long as restoring them to their former glory is no serious consideration, it is better to get them back on the rad, even if it means heavily modifying them. Jack | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 641 Registered: 4-2002 |
look upon it like this, at least you will be saving a 250GTE shell in some form or another, who knows, if the values (more like when) go up in the very long term, it could be feasable to mate the shell back with correct running gear. In the meantime you will keep that shape out there and in use for the zillions of F fans, who aren't interested in purity, to see and enjoy. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2003 |
I know... and in 20 years or so from now I will be declared the Ferrari sinner of all times for breaking up a perfectly restorable 4xx just to use its mechanical components... Jack | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 228 Registered: 8-2002 |
They are also cutting up 308GT4s for P3/4 replicas | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 241 Registered: 4-2003 |
Peter, Yes, we have considered that but it is also a matter of finances as it is basically a "fun" project and I think a decent 275 engine will cost upwards of half the value of a heavily restored 250 GTE. RM auctions auctioned a LOT of vintage parts (I missed that sale!) and one of the 250 GTE engines went for 20K$ + buyers premium + was in unknown condition. Still too much for this project. I THINK (say a lot about my mental intellectual capacities doesn't it? Hehehehehe...) that I can find a wrecked 4xx for far less that half that. There is a 400i engine on ferrariads.com for 6K$ but then I still need a gearbox ect. Widening the engine bay would be OK for me, provided the widening doesn't interfere with the front suspension. And... what a blast it will be to have a modern 5 liter V12 with 340 horses under the hood (maybe even with auto box...) but with the looks of 40 years ago... Jack | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2708 Registered: 12-2000 |
Off topic here, but I always get frustrated when I see images like that - I'd love to be the one who finds a derelict Ferrari in a field or a barn!  | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2707 Registered: 12-2000 |
Have you considered replacing with an identical-style motor (a SOHC type, like one from a 275, 330, or to make it a real sleeper hot-rod, a 365)? Like Steve M. pointed out, the DOHC heads of the 400/412 may be too wide for the engine bay... | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 230 Registered: 4-2003 |
Steve, >>>Sounds like a wonderful project. Yup, quite a challenge... >>>but I think a couple of stylish 250 GTE 2+2s with bigger, modern same-marque engines would make the world a better place. Likewise! Although I am quite a "purist" and a sucker for originality, I know that these two shells are beyond the point where they are viable restoration projects, mainly for financial reasons as buying original drive trains alone will drive up the cost beyond their future value. We are actually thinking of "transforming" one of them and putting the other up on the wall "as is" as a testimony to great styling and decay... >>>How much of the 400/412 drive train are you considering: engine only? engine + gearbox? engine + gearbox + differential? The latter (e+g+d) for the simple reason that the shells have been stripped of ALL mechanical compontents. I am reposting a picture to give you some idea of in what condition these shells are. >>>Can somebody post a 400/412 motor shot and/or a 250GTE 2+2 motor shot? Didn't they effectively add width to the 4XX induction system on all the variants to reduce height for the low front hood of that family? -- i.e., the track differences of the chassis might be a significant factor getting an unmodified 400/412 motor between the 250's front uprights? Would be greatly appreciated! >>>Sure hope it works out though -- way better than losing both the GTE and the 4XX. Totally on board on that! Jack  | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1721 Registered: 1-2001 |
Jack -- Sounds like a wonderful project. Zippo experience for me for such things, but I think a couple of stylish 250 GTE 2+2s with bigger, modern same-marque engines would make the world a better place  . How much of the 400/412 drive train are you considering: engine only? engine + gearbox? engine + gearbox + differential? Can somebody post a 400/412 motor shot and/or a 250GTE 2+2 motor shot? Didn't they effectively add width to the 4XX induction system on all the variants to reduce height for the low front hood of that family? -- i.e., the track differences of the chassis might be a significant factor getting an unmodified 400/412 motor between the 250's front uprights? Sure hope it works out though -- way better than losing both the GTE and the 4XX. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 226 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hehehehe... Never tried one of those ships.... looks far too complicated to me... I'd better stick with enigne transplants.... LOL! Jack | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1368 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>How difficult is it? << should be easier than putting one of those ships in a bottle. ;-) | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 219 Registered: 4-2003 |
This is more or less a re-post of my thread in the "general" section but I seeking advice for an engine transplant. I have my eye on two empty 250 GTE 2+2 shells and am playing with the idea to put 400 or 412 drive trains in them. Has anybody done this before? How difficult is it? Etc. Any advice will be apreciated. Jack |