| Author | Message | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1100 Registered: 2-2001 |
If you recall I just overhauled my car last year which included removing the oil cooler and cleaning it. I do not recall having that much stuff in it at that time. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2360 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ed maybe the misses was trying to sabotage the 308...Have you been paying enough attention to her?  | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2470 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ed, could it have been there from the previous owner, or have you had it off before? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1091 Registered: 2-2001 |
Since there was so much stuff inside my car and the fact that I only drive in good weather and do not recall running through a bunch of leaves, I could have had a mouse start a bed in there. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2002 |
I checked around the oil cooler and inside the air filter box as well. Nothing in either. But then again, I've only had the car 3 months and as such, never drove it during the fall when we typically whip up fallen leaves in this part of the Northeast. I'm still awaiting word of availabilty of the EuroSpec grill (Griglia presa aria laterale). As I said before, you just gotta love that parts manual! I'll keep you posted. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2439 Registered: 2-2001 |
Just for the record, I removed my oil cooler box tonight and nothing in it. However it is a good idea. Thanks Barry let me know what you find. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 38 Registered: 2-2002 |
Greg, As I mentioned, I happen to like the body-colored louvers. It's just a matter of taste, I realize, but I think it makes the car look racier and not broken up. I figured the engine louvers were black, but I was wondering if ferrari might have experimented a bit with colored louvers back there. I like this treatment, just the way things are on the 355. I am still awaiting a response regarding the air intake grills. Barry | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 36 Registered: 2-2002 |
I agree, Magoo. I have inquired of several parts sources in Europe as to availability of this part. I'll let you all know what they have to say. Certainly, this part can be fabricated easily enough. Greg, when you get your camera, please post a closeup of your assembly. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2402 Registered: 2-2001 |
You want to be careful using "fine" screen. It can restict airflow being too fine. The one shown in the parts book is larger. All you want to restrict is larger pieces of debris like leaves. paper etc. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 314 Registered: 10-2001 |
Barry, the rear decklid louvers are black...I'm not aware of any 308/328 with body color matched rear louvers. Ed, you'd want to make the front of the screen accessible from outside the car, e.g., reach into the air intake and pull those leaves out. As I looked at mine more closely, they were rivoted from the inside which means the factory must have done it. The air intake gradually gets smaller so you could probably make a screen with the outer edge made of rubber, and squeeze it in. | ||
| Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Junior Member Username: Bill308 Post Number: 152 Registered: 5-2001 |
Someone might try some stainless screen material, perhaps formed in the shape of a trunkated cone. Stuff the small end into the duct with a foam weather strip od liner to protect the body work and provide a seal. The od of the cone would be compliant enough to form fit the id of the duct and also provide a lot of surface area, so the mesh could be moderately fine. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2393 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ed that sounds like a better idea. The only thing is will the foam rubber have enough spring to it to grip the walls of the tube under the wind pressure in the tunnel,tube? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1048 Registered: 2-2001 |
You could cut out the screen from Carpenters Cloth and then encircle it with black foam rubber and then press fit it into the opening through the body and then it could be removed for cleaning if necessary. I believe I will make that my next weekend project since my car has a taste for leaves. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2002 |
Greg, are your engine deck louvers Rosso Corsa as well? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2390 Registered: 2-2001 |
Thanks Barry and Greg, The idea is not only great but seems necessary. I don't know why they didn't make it standard in production. I know what I quickly put together sounded Rube Goldberg but I wanted to stimulate some thoughts from the other guys. I would like to use this idea with the screen recessed farther back so it is not visible and can be cleaned with out too much trouble. To remove the tube you have to take out the inner fender so that idea is out of installing it permanetly back in the tube. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 34 Registered: 2-2002 |
This is from the 1976 Parts Catalog. Griglia presa aria laterale (40) which, of course, attaches to the condotto presa aria. I love this Catalogo Parti Di Ricambio! Fortunately I studied Latin and French.  | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 311 Registered: 10-2001 |
Barry, I also like the body coloured louvers. At first, I was looking for the traditional red 308QV with the black coloured louvers, and the black exhaust screen in the back. Once I found this Euro F-car, I was in love. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 310 Registered: 10-2001 |
Magoo, they are semi-permanantly fixed in the inlet with rivots. You can definitely pop them out if you didn't want the screen there, but then you'd have holes where the rivots were. I'm sure the factory installed them based on the country it was being shipped to. I like them. The screens are functional and add a bit of uniqueness to the car! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2385 Registered: 2-2001 |
Greg, It looks like the screen was installed during production and welded or permanetly fixed inside the tube. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 33 Registered: 2-2002 |
Fine-looking GTS, Greg. And I like the body-colored louvers. I can see the screen in there. I'll post the page from my parts manual which shows that part tomorrow. I think it's an appropriate and functional part which for some reason didn't make it to US specification. As Magoo has indicated, maybe we can come up with some design to retrofit our 308s. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 307 Registered: 10-2001 |
Barry, unfortunately, my digital camera is up in VA right now with my fiancee. The screen however is round and contoured to match the ID profile of the air-duct (both sides) and then rivited to the body. As soon as I get the camera back, I'll definitely post some close-up pics. In the mean time, you can see the screen for the airbox duct in this photo.  | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2382 Registered: 2-2001 |
It appears that Mondials have the oil cooler fan according to the post "OIL COOLER FAN." | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2378 Registered: 2-2001 |
To make myself a little more clear the object you would be making would look like a wire basket with a handle. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2377 Registered: 2-2001 |
It makes sense to have a screen on the Air box side as well. Leaves can channel directly into the Air Box. What about making a piece of "rat wire", small quarter inch square screen, into a tube the same size as the I.D. of the air duct tube, that has a wire handle across the open end,and solder a round screen enclosure, rat wire, on the other end. That way being the same I.D. size of the plastic duct you could push the screen tube back up in the air duct tube and pull it out by the wire handle when you clean it.Also you will not see it, only the wire handle which will not be noticeable. It can't be much longer than 5 to 6 inches max maybe shorter. The screen being somewhat bendable will contour to the tube as you push it in. Wild thought but let's hear some thoughts or improvements on the installation. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 32 Registered: 2-2002 |
Greg, perhaps you can post pictures. Does it appear that the parts could easily be fit to US versions? | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 31 Registered: 2-2002 |
Bret, that's a good argument for the screens fitted in the air scoops on European 308s. I've been trying to locate the parts. My 1976 parts manual shows the screen which appears to be mounted in a section of fiberglass which makes up the front part of the scoop just inside the painted body panel. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 304 Registered: 10-2001 |
Barry, my Euro 308QV was imported from Germany and has the metal screens you are talking about. I posted a thread on here a while back inquiring as to the originality of the screens...they are original euro add-ons. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2277 Registered: 2-2001 |
I hardly had any debris in my oil cooler duct (pulled the cooler during this whole thing and had it boiled out, mostly for the hell of it, and raked the fins too), but my air intake always gets a leaf or two in it sitting on top of the filter after a couple months of driving. One of my heater cores was filled like halfway to the top with debris, the other was clean. I think you pick up more debris on the passenger side because the side of the road always has a lot more garbage then the middle. | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 105 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ed, Shows what I know about 308's. I recon I assume too much sometimes? The good part is at least I learned something new today Joe | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 30 Registered: 2-2002 |
Some European 308s have a screen mounted in the duct just within the intake opening in the quarter-panel. I've often wondered why this wasn't available on US versions. The screen would certainly prevent this type of ingestion of debris. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
New member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2002 |
Some | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 539 Registered: 1-2001 |
TRs have oil cooler fans, guess it's a bonus for those extra 4 cyl. ;) -Ben | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1790 Registered: 12-2000 |
I knew what you were talking about Ed When I first pulled mine out, it was PACKED half-full with crud. My GT4 duct has a trap-door for winter driving. It helps in cool fall weather, to keep all the leaves out (keeps oil nice and warm too). | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1039 Registered: 2-2001 |
Actually there are no fans for the oil cooler on my 308 or any other that I know of. The air is force fed only through the left duct opening in the left rear quarter panel. I think the Mondial has fans for the oil cooler. | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ed, I guess it is sort of a good sign in that your fans are doing some serious sucking and even while it is sitting still and idling. Also, perhaps the way the deck lid slats are designed to draw air upwards within the flying buttress? Joe | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1037 Registered: 2-2001 |
I replaced one of my oil cooler hoses today and during the process I noticed a tremendous amount of leaves and debris trapped in between the cooler and the duct. This is only after around 2500 miles of driving since the cooler was cleaned. What is even more unsettling is that I do not recall ever running through or seeing that amount of debris. I cannot imagine what it would look like in 10,000 miles. |