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| Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk)
Member Username: Ferrari_uk Post Number: 279 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi all. Interesting thread. Have looked into 308 GT4 ignition bits for fun with following results. Any help ? Distributor gasket #147642 $4.42 Distributor oil seal #108009 $28.16 Condensor #95300072 $10.64 Rotor arm #95300317 $53.04 Contact points #95300084 $26.19  | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 234 Registered: 10-2001 |
I know about the metal thing inside - I probably just had a bogus one. If yours is working fine then they must usually be ok! Allferrariparts.com (McCann) lists the 9924394 rotor you mentioned for $6.00 and I assume this is also aftermarket not marelli. He lists various marelli rotors, some outrageous and some about $20. I don't remember what I paid for the one for the Dino motor. I just called up and asked for one. But if it had been more than $30 or so I would have remembered, ha! I figured it was a once in a few years purchase so $30 vs. $6 didn't bother me. (I've since sold the car anyway). BTW, I admire your approach of using Fiat parts that are the same. I've driven 60s and 70s Fiats as daily drivers for years (currently a '78 131) and despite the reputation, nothing is inherently unreliable about the cars or their parts. I was just given a 1981 fuel injected 2L Brava sedan that has over 250K miles on it and had sat for at least a year, being started every once in a while. I hopped in it, fired it up and drove it 60 miles home and though it won't pass smog until it gets new valves, it runs absolutely fine! Cheap (or free!) fun is a good thing. | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 31 Registered: 2-2003 |
Mine's nice and tight. You have to remember to put the little flat spring into the rotor before slipping it on. Rich, what do you pay for the Marelli brand? I was quoted $80 by Italian Car Parts!!! | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 232 Registered: 10-2001 |
Russ, that's the same one I had problems with. Of course it may have just been an isolated event. But it was just too loose and would slip up the shaft of the distributor (no, the bearings weren't worn - no play in distributor shaft). I have the same rotor style in my Fiat 131 and just grab the marelli rotors when I see them. I don't think they are that much more expensive (from fiat parts places, not ferrari!) | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 24 Registered: 2-2003 |
Here's a pic of the rotor, part no 4394 avail from intl auto parts http://www.international-auto.com/pdf_files/IAP29.pdf for $4.95 (I overpaid!!!) PS the distributor cap for the fiats and lancia that use the 2 point marelli distributors are different, sorry.  | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2003 |
You know I never asked about the cap but try the Lancia Beta cap. The distributors are similar (it's a 4 cylinder Marelli), you may luck out. I doubt Marelli would have designed a distributor for a few hundred cars per year. There are probably a thousand 308 owners who would lionize you if the cap is generic. We are all sick of getting taken for suckers. | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 388 Registered: 2-2001 |
Not a QV but a 77 GTB. 2V carb. with twin dist. | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
Junior Member Username: Branko Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2003 |
Steve, let us know if the rotor fits your 308 QV. | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 386 Registered: 2-2001 |
Great , thanks I'll give it a go. Can't loose to much for $6. I'll call my local foreign auto parts store and pick on up. To bad they didn't have a replacement for the cap. | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 21 Registered: 2-2003 |
The Fiat rotor fits Lancia Beta, all models and years; Fiat Argenta, 131, 132 all years; Seat 132. These cars used Marelli distributors apparently, fitted to the cam cover. The part is made by Facet, and is identical to the Ferrari OEM part. It is white plastic, with a metal tensioner that slips inside the bore for the mounting post. I am not sure whether later 308s used the same part. | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 385 Registered: 2-2001 |
Russ so what year Fiat does the rotor come from? Will this fit a 2V 308? | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 231 Registered: 10-2001 |
Be careful with rotors. I bought an aftermarket rotor from superformance in the uk (www.superformance.co.uk) and it was bad. Kept slipping up and I'd have to pull over every 30 min and push it back down. A rough way to get home! I bought a real Marelli one from Dennis McCann (allferrariparts.com) and lived happily ever after. I have nothing against Fiat parts (after all, my car was the fiat dino and I've owned 6 other Fiats), but I will always buy real Marelli ignition parts, not aftermarket. But I'm with you about not buying from Ferrari dealers unless necessary. The cam cover gaskets they have for the dino are far superior to any other vendors had though. But they also sold me the $25 oil filter whose gasket failed dumping my oil all over the freeway onramp at full throttle. (Baldwin is the way to go on the oil filters) | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2003 |
Here she is, folks, ignition overhaul done, timing set, carbs balanced and set, fluids changed, ready for summer! For the record, here's the recipe: K&N airfilters 4 for $200 on the internet with elements (lost the p/n sorry) K&N breather $15 with element pn 62-120 3/4" fits perfectly Fiat rotors p/n 9924394 $5.60 ea IDENTICAL TO OEM Fiat condensors p/n 9926424 $5.60 ea (Could not find a subs for the double wire condensor, so just kept the existing ones...will change them when I figure this out) Misc hose 3/4 thin wall works for 20mm $2 Distributor oil seals TCM 30x60x7sc $4.94ea use the old ones to seat the new ones, these are 7mm thick not 10mm so you can't press them all the way in using just a vise and wood blocks. Be careful, I have seen an Ferrari trained mechanic break the web of the mounting plate by pressing too hard. Dist 0 rings 25c ea Stainless hose clamps stainless 20-32mm 75c ea Distributor gaskets $5.31 ea Ron Tonkin (FNA) but I could have made up a set using the old ones for a template. Plug wire set...Napa (Belden) universal V8 metal core $24.47 - perfect, use the longest one to make the second coil lead. Boots are identical to "Gran Turismo" $200+ red wires. Purolator oil filter $cheap, can't remember the price, around $5 I think. Still need a couple of plug extensions and that weird two lead condensor....any leads? And here's a trick: turn the ignition on, rotate the flywheel with a 36mm wrench (plug the no 1 plug hole with your finger while you turn the engine to make sure you're on compression and not one rotation off) to the appropriate timing mark on the compression stroke for no 1 (or 5 for the other distributor), open the throttle slightly to open the microswitch, listen to the tone of the fuel pump while rotating the whole distributor, it changes when the points open! Set the running points this way; the idle points have to be set by rotating the actual points base once the distributor is locked for the running points, with the microswitch closed. These can be off, they don't really matter much. Better to get the running points correct.  | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 794 Registered: 10-2001 |
Russ, just keep in touch with FC and use it regularly...some of us are adicted. Ocasionally, there are users on this site that are selling new parts or slightly used parts that can be easily reconditioned. Many of the times, the parts are extremely reasonable. This is a great group of enthusiasts! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2781 Registered: 12-2000 |
I remember a long time ago, someone mentioned that a Datsun/Nissan rotor worked in a 308 distributor. Unfortunately, that person never posted the part # of the rotor and I can't remember if it fit a points-type distributor, or a Digiplex one... Anybody know anything about this??? As for the condensor (one-wire type), I used an Echlin (NAPA brand) MA3. Same dimensions and microfarad rating... Under $10 for one. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 378 Registered: 5-2002 |
Russ check out the parts and service section on this site. There is a cross reference section there with some parts you can use for your F-car from other models. | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 384 Registered: 2-2001 |
Russ what kind of rotor are you getting for $6 ? Is this a magical replacement for the early 308 dist. rotors? | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2003 |
I searched some and yes, Italiancarparts was the most audacious. Anyway, I got seals for $6, rotors for $6, o rings for 25c, wire set for $48. Got ripped on cam cover gaskets and distributor gaskets by the local dealer...figured there were no generics for those. Hence my question, and it seems they can be bought "spendy but not outrageous" from the parts houses....however, I am looking for "realistic to downright cheap". I was advised not to use silicone gasket in a tube for the distributor, but I don't see why it would not work on the cam covers if one were careful with the bead. My problem is I have three 308s and I have to economize or live in a tent. | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 12 Registered: 2-2003 |
I searched some and yes, Italiancarparts was the most audacious. Anyway, I got seals for $6, rotors for $6, o rings for 25c, wire set for $48. Got ripped on cam cover gaskets and distributor gaskets by the local dealer...figured there were no generics for those. Hence my question, and it seems they can be bought "spendy but not outrageous" from the parts houses....however, I am looking for "realistic to downright cheap". I was advised not to use silicone gasket in a tube for the distributor, but I don't see why it would not work on the cam covers if one were careful with the bead. My problem is I have three 308s and I have to economize or live in a tent. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 771 Registered: 5-2001 |
Russ, You can get factory Ferrari parts for much less than you are quoting, please check with our sponsors, and the internet....you are misinformed. Those prices sound like from Italiancarparts.com, they charge 10-30% over list price. Dave | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2003 |
I am looking for parts that work but don't require me to work for a week to pay for them...in other words generics. eg my rotor cost $6, Ferrari (and the Ferrari parts houses) want up to $80 for the same 25c piece of plastic and copper. Right now I am looking at Accel's generic 7mm plug wire set for about $50 for both halves instead of $175 per half. Anyone actually used a set (they are yellow, that's a Ferrari color too!) | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 377 Registered: 2-2001 |
Russ I'm missing something here. You can get Dist. gaskets and points and cond. from most of the suppliers that have been named on this site. I get most of my parts from T Rutland and others get them from GT car parts. | ||
| Russ Gould (Russ)
New member Username: Russ Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2003 |
Folks, Need help with distributor gaskets (anyone out there make custom gaskets), points (?Fiat) and condensor (has to be an easy one, it's just a capacitor!). Any suggestions for sources/cross reference welcome. I have gotten around Ferrari for the remainder. |