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JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1628
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 11:06 am: | |
>>>If the owner intend to sell the car, how keen is he/she to spend big$$$ on service/repair work...<<<
absolutely...and when many bring the cars to the shop they say exactly that, "I'm selling the car" and need *"A" belt so I can claim *"A" belt service just done.
*note: "A" as in any/one, not real picky about which one or how. Seals...what's that? Nope..just "A: belt service
In defense of pre-servicing however...the bigger buyer base (the overall market) is just simply uniformed and paranoid about buying a used Ferrari that has'nt "just been serviced"....thanks to the fact that "used car saleman BS" is where most buyers "learn" about Ferraris. And that BS has stuck like super glue.
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Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1828
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 10:12 am: | |
Also in James' camp -- buying (and selling) needing service is better than paying the seller for someone else's (unguaranteed) work. |
Ulf Modig (Ulf308qv)
Junior Member
Username: Ulf308qv
Post Number: 71
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 2:33 am: | |
I agree with James. If the owner intend to sell the car, how keen is he/she to spend big$$$ on service/repair work... |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member
Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 564
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 11:24 pm: | |
Having read thousands of posts on F-chat, there seems to be a general feeling that one should pay more for a well maintained and serviced car rather than puchase one that requires work. The consensus being that one will pay more to do the work under their ownership, thus, buy someone elses well maintained car at a discount.
I, for one, run contrary to this approach. I would rather purchase a car that I know requires service, and as JRV has suggested, at least I know it has been done, and done correctly. In the long run, I sleep better at night knowing that either I did the work, or someone I trust did the work.
Just one opinion.
Jim S. |
Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Junior Member
Username: Trinacria
Post Number: 240
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 2:25 pm: | |
"Now I know I should have read the paper work to know exactly what had been done."
There was indication on the paperwork that the proper work was not done? It is always prudent to read ALL paperwork before you purchase or sign something. I know this from personal experience myself. Some people get annoyed that you read the paperwork because you are expected to just sign. Reading the paperwork sometimes takes TIME. Hell, they practically push the pen in your hand. Example - My father had surgery 2 years ago and I crossed out about 5 lines on the 20 pages of crap he had to sign and initialed it on all the paperwork before I gave it back to them. They were not happy but had to live with it. Read read read! |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1393
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 2:07 pm: | |
For reasons that I won't address here, I just had an early 30K done by a mechanic that I trust.
Somehow, I now feel more comfortable driving the thing, and driving it hard, than before. More confidence in the car, mechanically. |
Ken (Allyn)
Member
Username: Allyn
Post Number: 927
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 12:11 pm: | |
Considering the iffy economy, I expect there will be more and more of the 3x8 cars on the market that have been woefully neglected. Detailing is easy; mechanical issues are another matter. When I see 308's on EBay in the $20-21k range and all they say is "immaculate" I have to wonder what they must need. |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1616
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 10:15 am: | |
I agree with Rob on this, that buying a car advertised as 'needs service' is the more honest and better way to go in some instances.
Every Ferrari buyer/owner should have "The Essential Man" on board if he expects the most amount of worry free, headache free driving enjoyment. I reccomend to my good clients to buy there cars at the discount and have the car "really, fully serviced" after purchase by their own Mechanic so that they benefit from better work, and the local guys garuntee on all the work...this way both perties, the mechanic and the owner are fully up to speed on condition and can keep the car in top shape after going thru it once much more easily.
Also, I have seen many of what I consider "fast & dirty" services done, simply to produce a reciept for time of sale, and the shops doing those "fast & dirty" jobs know they can get away with shoddy work because the car is going bye bye...so they have no exposure in the game. While OTOH the Personal Essential Man has all the pressure to do the job/jobs correctly. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 5051
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 9:50 am: | |
I guess mine was a rare case where the seller actually advertised it needed the 30k. This may be a good way to go as you know if they admit that, then they are probably being honest about everything else too. Another bonus on the deal was he gave me a $4-5k "discount" along with my normal price negotiation because that's what the dealer had quoted for the work. James Patterson did the work for about half that. |
BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobd
Post Number: 1208
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 9:46 am: | |
PPI is right! I guess it's impossible to catch everything but I also talked to the mechanic who actually did the work on my car before I bought it... gave me a bit more confidence about the purchase. |
Mark (Markg)
Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 489
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 9:26 am: | |
My 308 also came with 'all the receipts' - one month post purchase and $15k later (out of my pocket) it was in the 'as advertised' condition.
My seller had actually had the work done and then let car sit for 2 years; oil seals thus hardened and leaked on my belts, so when I had them redone my shop found the PO's shop had glued the broken plastick timing gear ear back on; clutch was shot and flywheel cracked beyond repair; needed allignment which brought to surface bad rear wheel bearings (when miss-alligned the did not make noise); etc etc ....
lesson learned - spend BIG on a proper PPI ! |
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member
Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 189
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 9:16 am: | |
Easier said than done, but I guess the best option is knowing where your car came from and who owned it. Even if you have to get the car serviced while you own it, it would make sense to vistit the shop while the work is being done. Let them show you all the parts that are being changed and don't be afraid to ask questions. When the job is completed you wil feel more at ease that you took the extra step. For the most part I would be skeptical on previous work done. Maybe it is just my nature. You never know if the invoice is real or made up. It is an expensive mistake to make. Forget about the F Dealers also. I have heard stories where they cut corners. Get to know your service person/mechanic. Feel comfortable that you won't get taken advantage of. As for myself, I am blessed with a local shop that I completely trust. No hesitations here. Just my opinion on the subject. "Buyer beware". |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1615
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 8:32 am: | |
>>>I was told it was done and given the paper work showing it. Now I know I should have read the paper work to know exactly what had been done. Now at 38,000 miles and a year down the road, I have learned the work was not done.<<
This is an interesting topic and "trap/con" I feel many fall into. More on this later about what I think is a better way to appriach this buying analization situation. |
barry castelete (Bazzis)
New member
Username: Bazzis
Post Number: 20
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 3:36 am: | |
I had a similar problem when I bought a 512TR from a main Ferrari agent in the UK. The car was sold to me with a bill for �4200.!! which was for a full cambelt service, brake overhaul,etc. The car had done 27000 miles.I became suspicious about this work when I was told the engine had to be removed to change belts,and there was no sign that the engine had been removed recently. The car was taken to Maranello Cars UK, who are the main UK importers, they checked the car and agreed that the bill for this service was suspect!On confronting the seller, I was told it was an administration error!, they said the work had been carried out on a different 512TR and the paperwork had been muddled!This was absolute rubbish, they eventually agreed a substantial cash rebate and agreed to have the car fully serviced at Maranello Cars. I now have no faith in so called main dealers and would only buy a car of this kind from a private owner who had bought the car new. |
Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member
Username: The_bart
Post Number: 99
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 2:12 am: | |
When I purchased my 550, which had 28,000 miles on it, I knew to ask about the 30,000 mile service. I was told it was done and given the paper work showing it. Now I know I should have read the paper work to know exactly what had been done. Now at 38,000 miles and a year down the road, I have learned the work was not done. It must be done, one way or another. Mine is the another. This is not cheap. I even have to tell the little woman I must spend some big bucks on my toy. Joy, oh, joy.
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