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DJParks (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 266
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 7:41 pm: | |
Starter and solenoid are under one number
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DJParks (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 265
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 7:40 pm: | |
Motorino avviamento
Bosch 106966
Fiat 103959
One of these may be DINO a number, use at your own risk.
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DJParks (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 264
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 7:29 pm: | |
Yeeooww, I need to proof read my posts.
The routing for the high amperage cicuit is from the battery to the solenoid then from the another terminal on the solenoid to the STARTER.
Hope I didn't confuse you too much. |
Mario Moretti (Clubgoer1)
New member
Username: Clubgoer1
Post Number: 11
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 6:43 pm: | |
Does anyone have a part number for the starter/solenoid? Bosch ????? |
Mario Moretti (Clubgoer1)
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Username: Clubgoer1
Post Number: 10
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 6:41 pm: | |
DJ/John,
Thanks for the great advice.... I plan on checking out your suggestions on Weds when I get a jack. |
JohnR. (Rivee)
Junior Member
Username: Rivee
Post Number: 223
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 6:19 pm: | |
Mario,
When you turn the key on and then to start you get nothing right? Do the lights on the dash not even dim?
I had the same problem a few months ago.
The fuse panel consists of terminals and fuses. The copper terminals are rivitted (sp) on the top and on the bottom, through the terminal and the plastic block they are attached to. Some of the terminals are connected to each other at the top on the back of the fuse block by a piece of copper that depend on the rivits for the connection. Un screw the fuse block and look on the back and u will see what I'm talking about. What happened to me is that when I would have the heater on for any legnth of time it would heat up the fuse block just enough to make the rivitted connections loose. I looked and looked and it appeared the rivits were tight. But they weren't. The rivits that hold the terminal to the plastic fuse block weren't making contact with the same copper terminals it was supposed to hold to the block. I know it's hard to believe but that was the case.
What I did was to solder a solid copper wire to the terminals that were supposed to be connected to each other at the top instead of relying on the rivits to make the connection.
I think that your ignition terminal is #2 on the fuse block. If you notice on the back on top, the first three terminals are supposed to be connected (on the top of the terminal, not the bottom) together.
Also they're is a starter wire connected to your ingition switch under your dash. Check it's connection.
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DJParks (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 262
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 5:55 pm: | |
Hi Mario,
I have a '78 GTS also. The starter for your car is on the forward L/H side of the engine block, down low. It will be located inboard of the flywheel/clutch housing. You will have to put the car up on jacks to get to it, preferably jacks under the front and the rear of the car. Better access that way.
In answer to your question about the solenoid and the starter being separate.
Basically the solenoid is a big switch that is activated by signal voltage from your ignition switch that in turn closes a high amperage circuit between the battery and the starter. The high amperage circuit is usually the positive battery cable routed directly to a terminal on the solenoid then from the solenoid to the battery.
On some vehicles the solenoid also engages the gear drive on the starter with the ring gear on the flywheel.
If I am not mistaken the solenoid for your car is mounted on top of the starter.The schematic shows the positive battery cable going straight up the center of the car to the starter area so thats my guess. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
I am thinking that there may be a possibility that the solenoid is not getting the signal voltage from your ignition switch especially if all of the battery terminals and cables are clean and tight. I would test to see if there is voltage at the point where the battery cable attaches to the solenoid.
Hope this helps, DJ |
John_Miles (John_miles)
Junior Member
Username: John_miles
Post Number: 81
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 5:47 pm: | |
I may need to mess with my starter soon, too. Today, after filling up the tank, the car refused to start (no solenoid engagement). I tried again and the car started normally... but continued making a loud whirring/rushing sound from the general area of the flywheel after starting. This went on for about half a mile, then stopped.
So I'm thinking that the starter motor's not disengaging from the ring gear for some reason? Either that, or it is> disengaging, but continuing to receive electrical power?
Has anyone ever encountered a symptom like this on a 308 starter? |
Mario Moretti (Clubgoer1)
New member
Username: Clubgoer1
Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 5:07 pm: | |
Fuses ok....Anyone know where the starter is located? Do I need to lift the car in order to get to it? |
JP Lavigne (Jpl)
Junior Member
Username: Jpl
Post Number: 73
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 1:55 pm: | |
Check the fuses! |
Mario Moretti (Clubgoer1)
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Username: Clubgoer1
Post Number: 8
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 1:33 pm: | |
i hear the buzz from the fuel pump. Lights do not dim when attempting to start the car. I'm not much of a mechanic so here goes a stupid question.... is the starter and started solenoid two different things? Any idea how hard it is to replace and where it's located on the car? Mike, I will try the volt test later....Thanks |
Henry D. Chin (Hanknum)
Junior Member
Username: Hanknum
Post Number: 153
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 12:49 am: | |
If your fuel pump is bad or not working the car will still crank. I would check the starter and solenoid first to see if you are getting power there. If not, trace back from there to the battery to see where the power loss is. |
Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
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Username: Pupz308
Post Number: 367
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 11:10 pm: | |
Agree with Matt (The Don). You need to hear the buzz of the fuel pump (near the rear left wheel) before you get anywhere.
Still, almost for sure your problem lies elsewhere, if you're getting nothing when starting. Do your lights dim when you start?
Have a helper? Check with a voltmeter the output of the battery across the terminals (VOLTS, not AMPS), and also have your helper read the voltage while you try to start the car.
Seems like an issue with the starter getting juice.
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Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
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Username: Peter_topman
Post Number: 45
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 7:39 pm: | |
starter solenoid |
"The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 5034
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 6:54 pm: | |
In the II position, Do you hear a buzz? if not then your fuel pump is dead. If you hear a buzz then it's something else |
Mario Moretti (Clubgoer1)
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Username: Clubgoer1
Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 6:48 pm: | |
Having an issue with my 308. When I turn the key, nothing....not even a click or an attempt to turn over. I have a new battery and all electricity works. Does this sound like a starter problem or fuel pump? Please advise.
Thanks!
Mario |