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Michael Calvo (Capt)
New member
Username: Capt
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 1:58 pm: | |
When did Ferrari stop using Laquer based dyes on their leather? and what did they switch to?
Thanks,
Michael |
Jay Morris (Jm3)
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Username: Jm3
Post Number: 20
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 7:52 pm: | |
Actually I believe 308 gt4 door panels are leather. Mine have a fine patina that could not be reproduced with mere vinyl. Also, vinyl will not crack around the speaker holes.
Jay |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1457
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 7:29 pm: | |
The door panels on a GT4 *I think* are vinyl. Will Leatherique dye work on vinyl? |
david handa (Davehanda)
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Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 921
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:58 am: | |
Michael,
The 308 was all original dye, the 328 was previously redyed. Yet the 328 dye is more stable than the old original 308 dye. I think the safest thing to do is to NOT let the rejuvenator oil sit on the seats for more than 24 hours. In fact, 12 hours may be sufficient, but the multi-day soaking definitely seems to loosen the dye... |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 811
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:38 am: | |
Randall,
The leatherique dye will cover the darker color completely. After all, the leather itself is a fairly dark brown & it's completely re-colored.
Also, doing a re-dye correctly involves sanding & possibly stripping most of the old dye off.
If you follow the directions you will end up with a very uniformly colored, professional appearing color. It will take a fair amount of work, & re-doing the door panels will requre careful masking of the carpet covered panels. However, you'll really be happy with the results.
(See my post of about a year ago. It ended up being a long thread as Tifosi1 joined in w/his re-dye project. It includes a pointer to Mike Charness write-up that got me going.) |
Randall (Randall)
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Username: Randall
Post Number: 511
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 2:17 am: | |
Verell-
I hadn't thought that someone probably dyed it before. After using tons of rejuvenator oil some of the dye started to flake off. If I scratch at it the dark stuff comes off and you can see the lighter color.
I almost think my seats were replaced at some time, because the door panels don't seem to have any of the lighter color on them. I prefer the lighter color, but I'm afraid if I try to lighten the whole interior I'll end up with it multi-colored, almost like a comoflauge made up of biege and saddle. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 240
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 7:41 pm: | |
I used this stuff on my seats. My passenger seat was as hard as cardboard. So hard and dry that infact when it was sat upon it cracked in the mid bottom panel. I was going to have them upholstered but for the hell of it I tried the leatherique oil. By the end of the day the seats were soft and very moveable. I took it to my trim guy and had him put a panel in the seat. He could not believe this was the same seat he gave me a quote several months earlier. You can not tell the panel from the old seat...this stuff is that good. Also did my door panels and dyed them...look better than new. I am very impressed and highly reccomend it. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 809
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 2:50 pm: | |
Rationale for a swatch from under the seats is that it's most likely the original color. ie: sunlight & spray can redyers haven't gotten at it.
Light vs Dark is personal taste. The Leatherique dye is pretty opaque. Takes a bit more of it to change a dark color to a lighter one, but there's plenty in their standard bottle. (Enough for 2-3 car interiors in fact!) |
Randall (Randall)
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Username: Randall
Post Number: 510
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 11:42 am: | |
Everyone says to use a sample from under the seat, but the leather under my seat is much much lighter. The rest of the interior is kind of dark tan, but the stuff under the seat is light tan.
Can I dye my seats and doors a lighter color, or would it be better to go with the darker color? |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 808
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 11:37 am: | |
Prestine Clean will remove old 'dead' dye pigment from the surface. I think that's what you ran into.
Hmm, I guess if enough of the old dye layers have deteriorated, it might look like it's stripping it. |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
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Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 539
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 10:20 am: | |
Mike, Dave and Verell,
Thank you for your help. I'll order the rejuvenator oil. And use it carefully. It's just the headrests and door panels that need a little help.
Barry |
Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
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Username: Lens
Post Number: 281
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 8:04 am: | |
John,
If by tan you mean "saddle," then I'm pretty sure the Leatherique # is 3218. I have a bottle that I never used. I'll check the number for you. After treating my interior with Leatherique, I was so pleased with the results that I decided to hold off on a complete re-dye. You're best bet is to cut a small swatch from under the seat and have them match the dye to your sample.
Re: Leatherique, follow the directions, and you'll agree its the best stuff out there for cleaning and conditioning leather.
On another note, I highly recommend Zaino's tire and rubber dressing for vinyl. |
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
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Username: Mcharness
Post Number: 596
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 7:17 am: | |
David: That may have been "re-dye" coming off, rather than original vat dye... I don't know. Haven't had that problem here, but I've never let the oil soak for "days", merely overnight. |
david handa (Davehanda)
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Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 900
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 9:08 pm: | |
BTW, I still like the products, but use them sparingly and carefully..... |
david handa (Davehanda)
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Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 899
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 9:08 pm: | |
Disagree, I have used the products, and after a thorough soaking of a few days, I clean with the Prestine clean, and there are definitely traces of dye coming off on my white terry cloths. I noticed this on my 308, and on my 328. On the 308 door panels, it removed enough dye that I ended up having them redyed, along with the seats.
On the 328, the amount of dye coming off was much less, but I could still see the cloth turning tan... |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
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Username: Verell
Post Number: 806
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 8:44 pm: | |
Rejuvinator oil will NOT remove leather dyes.
Slather it on, put a black plastic leaf bag over the seat & let it sit in the sun all afternoon.
Repeat for 2-3 days. The plastic ensures the volatiles go into the leather instead of escaping.
Clean the seat with Pristine Clean, This will get all of the dirt, sweat, etc. that the rejuvinator oil will float out of the pores in the leather.
Been There, Done That. - See my thread. |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member
Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 536
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 5:05 pm: | |
Thanks, Mike. The seat leather is still pretty supple. The headrests and door panels are a bit dried-out and I noticed that when I used Connolly's Hide Food on them, I removed a little dye. I'll try the rejuvenator oil. I think I remember reading in your article that it did not remove any appreciable dye.
Barry |
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
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Username: Mcharness
Post Number: 593
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
Barry: Thanks for the comments. If you have the original dye job on your car, the rejuv oil will work just fine in softening your leather (or keeping it soft).
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Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
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Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 535
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 2:23 pm: | |
That was a very informative article, Mike, one of the better FCA monthly bulletins I've received. The leather in my car has the original varnish finish but is in pretty nice shape as previous owners have used seat savers. The headrests and door panels have faded a little bit, but it's not really necessary for any redying now. Will the Leatherique Rejuvenator Oil be safe to apply and not remove any existing dye?
Barry |
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
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Username: Mcharness
Post Number: 591
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 1:53 pm: | |
Lots of stuff in the archives here. Also there was an article in the Ferrari Club of America (FCA) monthly news bulletin 3 or 4 issues ago. There's an online version at
www.fca-se.org/concours.htm
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Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member
Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 218
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 1:32 pm: | |
John, I have used their leatherique oil/conditioner. Good stuff. go to www.leatherique.com for all info. |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 3848
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 1:24 pm: | |
yes, yes yes, check the archives for the storys, send them a swatch from under the seat |
john roberts (Jr328gtb)
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Username: Jr328gtb
Post Number: 23
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 1:19 pm: | |
anyone used leatherique with any success?
anyone know the exact leatheique color to use for a tan interior on a 1989 328?
thanks |