| Author | Message | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 439 Registered: 9-2002 |
Beleive it or not an MGB clutch alingment tool will work for the 308 clutch. The only differance is the input shaft diameter for the pilot bearing. I just took some electrical tape and bulit up the end of the aligment tool. Works like a charm. Guess the price.... FREE form the local MGB supplier. | ||
| Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi Andrew, How much? Jonathan | ||
| Andrew A. Illes (Andyilles)
Junior Member Username: Andyilles Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi guys.. if anybody needs them, I have a NOS 308 (B&B)pressure plate, disk and surfaced flywheel I'd sell.. also late throw-out bearing.. along with a good used tranny with new synchros and limited-slip (also transfer gears and cover... and perfect half shafts). | ||
| Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi Everyone, I contacted Evans Automotive by e-mail and they answered very quickly with this: "clutch kits in stock (disc/pressure plate/t-out bearing) - $349.95 - o-ring kit is $15 - flywheel must be resurfaced when replacing clutch - " Sounds very reasonable for Ferrari parts so that's what I'll do. Thanks for all the help and wish me luck! (Assuming of course that crossing my fingers and adjusting the cable doesn't do the trick). | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2002 |
Joe, I was universal tool I got from A&i tool. http://www.ai-supply.com/ a great place BTW. It had several tapered sleeves that slid onto the shaft. I am not sure you even need one but I'm sure it helped. I am a novice at this so I need all the help I can get! All my other tools I got from Baum! Regards, Rob | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 763 Registered: 3-2001 |
Robert what clutch alignment tool did you use? Did you get it from Baum tools? I didn't think there was an alignment tool for the 308s. (thought you might have to get a universal tool) Thanks. | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 175 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jonathan, Barry may be right on this as I am certainly no expert, my flywheel looked so good and my clutch still had plenty of material left, that is why I went that route. I was looking for a new flywheel but everyone was out of them at the time and just as well as they were above $1200. As for relining the clutch I would opt for a whole new assembly as the pressure plate gets worn over time and the whole package is about $300. As you work on the car you will find this is cheap, but dont forget you need some other things, main seal pilot bearing etc. Any parts place should be able to give you a quote on the whole package needed for the repair. Rob p.s. Boy I love the tech area, I been here about a year and never really ventured out of here until recently, all I can say is it is a jungle over there! I feel more comfortable over here with grease on my hands than pie in my face! | ||
| Barry A. Freda (308barry)
New member Username: 308barry Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jonathan: You must resurface the flywheel when doing a clutch. The wheel becomes un-true because of the heat it has to absorb. You may also find what are known as Hot Spots on the wheel and they can only be ground away. Any Auto Parts store should have a WET Machine, should cost $50.00 to remove the pins, GRIND the wheel and reinstall the pins. I said Wet machine because some shops cut the wheel on a lathe, like a disc rotor. This NO GOOD as it creates a record like groove and causes the disc to ride up. Barry | ||
| Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2003 |
Everyone, You guys are the best!! I can see that there is some serious know-how going on around here and you unfortunate souls will likely get a lot of questions from this newbie! I'm not sure if the pictures made me more afraid of tackling this job myself but they do illustrate it well. Rob, excellent photos (I'm a photographer by trade...I appreciate a good picture). If you would be willing to send the pdf, I would love to have it. I have a cable modem so feel free to send over a huge file: [email protected] Thanks! I took Sean's advice and scanned/searched the archives. One thing I read there was something about having the exisiting clutch "resurfaced." (I may not be using the right term here). Is this possible locally? It sounds like a cheaper way out of the clutch issue, but not something I could get done easily without sending it out someplace for a month. (I know I sound terribly cheap but this car has a few issues that need sorting out and after looking at the prices on parts I nearly fainted. Thank God I didn't look BEFORE I bought the car!) What's up with the expensive damned distributor caps anyway? It's a piece of plastic! (I mean unobtainium....) In any case, if I can have a clutch "re-cored" so to speak, I could do it over the winter. -Jonathan | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 173 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jonathan et al, Here are the pictures as promised: Here is the flywheel I resurfaced with the 3m pad used for cleaning up gasket surfaces:  Clutch mounted using alignment tool:  Pressure plate mounted, you want to change the seal and pilot bearing behind the flywheel also:  Removing pilot bearing with slide hammer:  Assembling transfer gears:  This retaining sleeve fits over snap ring inside of the bellhousing:  Gears assembled, dont forget to mark before removal, center gear just falls out, not needed but I replaced all bearings:  Artsy shot of inside of bell housing, I have more fun taking the car apart than driving it (almost!):  Here is one of the problems previous mechanic invented, left TO bearing is for a softclutch upgrade kit (which my car does not have, and I did not want) right one, is well, the right one, groove holds spring which snaps into fork on inside of bellhousing! With the original set up you have free play as the clutch wears the free play is reduced, with the soft clutch kit there is no free play and as the clutch wears the pedal rises. I like the stiff clutch and free play!!  Finally done, I have more photos if you need. IMPORTANT see the phillips screwdriver on the left of photo it is slipped through a hole in the bellhousing, a corresponding hole in the clutch linkage should line up exactly, if so your clutch is aligned, if not there are some adjustment links under the car you can play with till it is right. When you are all finished you should have about 1/16 slack in the linkage. BTW this is all in the Service Manual.  The vent will leak gearoil all over everything most mechanics vent remove the cap feed hose up aroundrear supension and down on frame:  I routed the hose down and added a fuel filter didn't want to let dirt in!  It has been a while but if you have any questions you can ask or call, sorry if some shots are out of sequence, usual disclaimers apply, proceed at own risk. All I can say is if you have the tools, take your time and do not rush. A good digital camera helped as I photographed everything as I took it apart, much less drama later! I looked at everything, put each part under my pillow (just kidding) dreamed about what it does wiped everything off, used all new hardware and everything came out as well as it looks. I had no previous experience working on cars of this calibre, just the desire and love of the marque. many people on this list and the FerrariList and Yahoo tech-list gave invaluable assistance. I have done 1 major service, replaced my timing gear bearings, new clutch, rear suspension, AC, all I need to do is ignition again, (I already forgot what I did last time:-) and the carbs next summer after my car is CA smog exempt! Oh yea, Get a good torque wrench and if any threads strip use timeserts, they are the best! When you remove the transfer gear cover be careful as there are alignment dowels on either side, don't lose these! Rob Garven 805-643-6003 home 805-654-7895 work | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 172 Registered: 2-2002 |
Johnathan, I followed those instructions and changed mine with out any problems. I would be careful resurfacing the flywheel as they can get so thin you cannot see the timing marks. If the flywheel is in good shape you can clean it with a hand drill and 3M scotchbrite type pads. Then clean it off with brake cleaner. I found 2 missing parts in my clutch and one that did not belong. Mark the step down gears before you take them of to make sure the gears mesh up the same on reinstallation. I will post some photos when I get home. I got my clutch from GT Car Parts in AZ. Get the tool from Baum, BTW start collecting metric tools! You also need a manual if you dont have one let me know I think I have a PDF I can send, I think the engine is the same as my gt4 and they used the gt4 engine manual for several years :-) Rob | ||
| Craig Tempelton (Nautique)
New member Username: Nautique Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jonathan Try this for instuctions http://www.cameragear.com/ec/clutch.htm Baum tools should have the socket you need craig | ||
| RANDOLPH MADAMBA (Pogibm)
New member Username: Pogibm Post Number: 49 Registered: 8-2002 |
When you have your fly wheel resurfaced is there any advantage or gain to have it lighten. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 557 Registered: 11-2001 |
It is a 8Am-Noon job if you have the right tools, and all parts ready to go, and if your fly wheel does not need resurfacing. The special socket can be made, or borrowed, or bought. Your choice. Air tools are best, or else, stuff the rag method also works. Might as well do the flywheel seal, and change the tranny fluid. you are looking at $500 all together in fluid and parts. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1527 Registered: 4-2002 |
As everyone says, check adjustment. However...... Probably the best price for a clutch is from George Evans - $300. Includes PP, Disc, and TO bearing. Ask if it includes the O'rings. www.evansauto.com As far as DIY, the big issue is a large nut that takes a special socket and a couple zillion pounds of torque. Unfortunately, in a lot of cases the nut will be damaged, as those w/o the proper tools will use an air chisel, or???? to remove/install it. So you may need a nut also. (When I asked my mechanic if I would need the nut, he said, "It depends upon who was in there last!") | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5384 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jonathan, There are many ways to adjust the clutch. It could just be a simple adjustment. (fingers crossed) It is fairly straight forward but has Sean says, it's very tight. | ||
| Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi Sean- I bought it just this week at Thomsons Auto in PA. I haven't even SEEN it yet. It's coming to me on a big truck next week. :-) Big grin. Jay, Thanks for that good advice. Believe me, I'll check the linkage first and cross fingers. But the dealer I bought it from says he believes it needs a new clutch due to its "feel". I would like nothing more than to simply adjust it and nothing else. I like driving cars, not working on them (which is why I should never have bought a Ferrari, right??? But I can't help it. I'm in love with the 308. Love is blind to reason and logic.) Jonathan | ||
| Jay Morris (Jm3)
New member Username: Jm3 Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2002 |
Check clutch adjustment FIRST. Fortunately, the clutch linkage works like a motorcycle. Cross your fingers and hope that lengthening the little turnbuckle under the far left side of the trans makes it all better. Lengthen it about 3 turns. There are 2 holes to set adjustment to, but don't worry about that. Just see if taking a little preload out of the linkage lets it grab better. Don't forget to cross your fingers! Jay | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 229 Registered: 2-2003 |
Seach the archives. I know several hear have done it. It's tight, but can be done in your garage. When/where did you buy your GTB? | ||
| Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi Everyone, I'm new to Ferrari ownership. I have lusted after 308's for 20 years and I finally bought one. The clutch is on its last legs. I have a couple questions for you experts... 1. How hard is it to replace one's self (I have done the clutch on a Kawasaki Ninja and that's it for my clutch repair experience). 2. Where do I get a replacement clutch without spending a fortune? Thanks! Jonathan |